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The Grosjean Issue

Discussion in 'Formula 1' started by DHCanary, Oct 7, 2012.

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What should be done about Grosjean?

  1. Nothing - he's young, he'll learn

  2. Talking to from GPDA

  3. Final warning from FIA

  4. Further race ban

  5. Season ban

  6. Permanent ban

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  1. ZER0

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    Grosjean is clearly a quick driver, but the continued mistakes are getting old. You just can't continue to make errors like that at this level. I think Heikki is a good guy as well as a decent driver, so I think that would be pretty cool to see him get a drive at Lotus if they are going to replace Grosjean, especially to see what he can do in a better car again. Plus, an all Finnish team would be cool.
     
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  2. Kyle?

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    Totally agree mate. Unless he cuts the errors out, a safe pair of hands like Kovalainen would be a very tempting option.
     
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  3. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    I would have thought Kovi burnt his bridges with enstone after the swipe he took on them when he left for mclaren. Funny enough he did the same when he left McLaren. It is quite possible he will do the same to caterham
     
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  4. tomcat606

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    Maybe that would help:


    Sir Jackie Stewart offers to help Romain Grosjean

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19889915

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    The Scotsman first offered to coach Grosjean back in July.

    "He had already had a few accidents then and I thought I might be able to help him avoid them in the future," Stewart said. "I'd been a young entrant into Formula One myself and had also run a fairly good driver development programme at Stewart Grand Prix, when I'd helped drivers like David Coulthard, Juan Pablo Montoya, Gil de Ferran and Allan McNish.
    "Romain, who I have to say is an extremely nice young man, chose not to take up the offer.

    "The season was congested then, he was about to go on his honeymoon, and he felt he had his own people assisting him."

    "When the time comes and he wants to do it, I will always be there for him because of my relationship with the team."

    "For some reason, racing drivers of all kinds feel they don't need coaches once they leave karting. That's unlike any other sport I know."

    The 73-year-old says Grosjean needs to curb his natural attacking instincts and show greater anticipation in races.

    "Having the talent and speed to win races can be intoxicating," Stewart said.

    "What all the top drivers have is very good mind management, knowing how to go about their business. It's very rare that any of them have collisions. That's obvious with Sebastian Vettel, and Fernando Alonso's collision at the first corner in Japan was a real rarity."

    "The mind has to be the master over natural ability. Having been there and had very, very few collisions in my career, I know that to finish first, first you must finish, and that you never win a race on the first corner, but you'll quite often lose one there."
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  5. DHCanary

    DHCanary Very Well-Known Member
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    It's a good point about F1 drivers not having coaches. If someone takes the step of bringing someone in, and then benefits as a result, how long would it take for widespread adoption?
     
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  6. Delete Me

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    Not to sound like a tool, but although it sounds like a great idea consider this with Jackie Stewart wanting to help direct him but.... Grosjean has been fantastic in the lower series that has got him to F1 on his own merit, how is a 70 year old man that has never driven F1 cars of this speed or caliber going to improve his mindset to approach modern F1? Lets be serious Jackie Stewart of his degree of skill compared to the new breed would be that of just above Narain! The field moves on, drivers get faster and more consistent as the decades go by with more and more improvements in training and stronger drivers getting in rather than hundred of rich boys trying to entertain their girlfriends.

    Grosjean has to be the person to find out for himself what is required to be valid information to put in that thick skull of his to make him successful in F1, nobody can actually "improve him" as you would be changing him as a whole mentally and maybe making him worse or slower. The reason why he is fast, is because of himself, he doesn't know how to do it any other way other than to reflect on it himself and evolve. He has to help himself rather than being patronised by an old fart that's friends with a corrupt banker that used to be a "Sir".

    He should say: "Cheers Jackie I will take some help, but not from you thanks." and get some guy like Alesi/Prost or something, at least they are closer to this caliber than Jackie, by about almost 20-30 years... and ask them to find things they believe to be wrong, not trying to tell him how to drive the ****ing car.
     
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  7. DHCanary

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    I'm not suggesting Stewart is necessarily the man for the job (although if I was Grosjean I'd at least spent some time with him), but the point is more that in all sports, athletes have coaches, so why not motorsport? A good coach isn't necessarily someone who was the best at their sport, but even just having someone to sit down and talk through the race with, who isn't an engineer. Engineers will tell you "You're losing time in sector 2", but they can't tell you "Try taking a wider line through turn 5, and treat turn 6 as if it's double apexed, you might find some more time". Team-mates occasionally chat, but nobody has someone with the mind of a driver dedicated to making them faster, or in this case, safer.
     
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  8. ZER0

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    He might have raced a long time ago, but he still has a great deal of knowledge, and just to get his advice on how to approach the start might not be a bad idea. I think a part or even full-time driving coach is a bit much, especially when Jackie Stewart hasn't driven for such a long time and never drove anything as fast as what we have nowadays, but his experience is invaluable, and you don't win 3 world championships by being a bad driver.
     
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  9. SgtBhaji

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    Just give him a glass of warm milk before the start. :)
     
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  10. RoadRunner

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    Laced with valium <ok>
     
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  11. Smithers

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  12. DHCanary

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  13. JonnyBaws

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    A "stern" talking to by the GPDA... I like the lad, once he gets past the first laps, he's a damn fine racer.. but if he keeps this up, he'll be the new pin up boy for Spec Savers!
     
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  14. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I?
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    What?... Replacing Button?
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  15. RoadRunner

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  16. cosicave

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    Perhaps I'm confused, EMSC?
    You refer to Grosjean as a "dick'. So no doubt you will correct me as to the criteria you have used to reduce Schumacher's "dick" moments to "twice" when comparing him "…on the first lap or whatever…". Perhaps you and I have a different idea of what constitutes a misjudgement; or perhaps you have a difficulty with addition; or you perhaps cannot spell 'thrice' (or any adverb referring to an greater multiple)?

    This is nothing personal. It is simply that recently you have similarly downplayed your hero's errors – with essentially the same incorrect* under-estimation.

    *Incorrect according to my view, although I accept that you must be counting differently, which is why, in an effort to understand, I have written this post.
     
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  17. EternalMSC

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    Again if you read my post before trying to acheive moral highground, you will notice I accept Michael has made just 2 mistakes this season.
    I can't tell from your robotic writing, whether you have a problem with grammar or what is written in general.
    And simply, I don't care.
     
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  18. cosicave

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