Why he never got the job. Don Revie. Class act. [video=youtube;yJHvg5c7vPE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJHvg5c7vPE&feature=related[/video] [video=youtube;7MPwJlqmyJM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MPwJlqmyJM[/video] [video=youtube;VfKm12SJwJY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfKm12SJwJY&feature=relmfu[/video] We'll never see the like of this again. History's boring.
Quite compelling stuff. Your right Telford, we'll never see anything like this ever again. Revie comes across really well and is a true gent. Clough is a bit mad and unconventional, but we now of course know what he went on to achieve. Good stuff.
Glad you watched it Nines and got the same out of it as me. It is compelling. It made me think of Revie differently for sure. Watching it through, Cloughie is the only one playing to the camera. Revie, for all his bad rep, comes across as genuine, albeit a bit clumsy and respectful. Cloughie smiles a bit too readily, addresses the camera when composed and has no qualms in shouting to get his point over. He knew spin before we had a word for it. I throw it out there as a genuine question. What was wrong with Revie?
Either and/or both. Genuine question. I'm just a bit too young to remember for sure the ins and outs of his/Clough's Damned United. I know the reputation. We all do I guess. Dirty Leeds. Was it deserved? Or was he ahead of his time? Players dive, foul and cheat for fun today. Was he a winner who did what was necessary to win? If so did he go too far? Did he kill the spirit of the game?
I think history smiles upon the reputations of them both. How good would it be to have the choice of two English managers of their calibre today? It was a crying shame, however, that both were tainted: Clough by his alcoholism, and Revie by his failure to lead England into a tournament finals and subsequent defection to the UAE. As far as the interviews are concerned, Revie was on completely safe ground. He had just won the league title and ascended to the England position. His shoes as Leeds manager were impossible to fill for anyone. Management of change is difficult at the best of times. But to come into what I imagine was a very tight, close bunch of players was one hell of a challenge for anybody. I can imagine Ferguson's successor will find it difficult, but probably not as difficult as if he had stepped into the role in the era of Fergie's Fledglings, when the dressing room was full of kids that had been brought up knowing Ol' Purple Nose-Blotch Man from an early age, e.g. Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Butt etc.
Good post Uber, but does history smile upon them both? Clough ended up with the glory and the repute. Revie's legacy is "Dirty Leeds" and failure with England. I think it's unfair on the man.
You may be correct, Telford. But, whilst on the one hand Leeds have arguably been stuck with the 'dirty' label ever since, we also generally seem to look back on the days of the soccer hard men with a degree of rose-coloured spectacled sentimentalism. At least I do.
Did anyone see the film, I did. correct me if I'm wrong but Clough got the sack after Leeds played QPR at Elland Road...In the dressing room before the game Clough explained to his players how to stop Stan Bowles 'Kick him up in the air' Stan scored and the hoops won 1-0..
My memories of Leeds were that they were very much a Jekyll and Hyde team. They were a hard uncompromising side yet, when given the chance, could outplay the best sides of the era. I remember in 1970 going with a Chelsea supporting mate to see them at Stamford Bridge in a Division One match, Chelsea were 2-1 up at half-time and my mate was crowing that 'Dirty Leeds' were gonna get well and truly stuffed, but in the second half Leeds came out and totally blew them away winning 5-2, yet a couple of months later Chelsea beat them in the Cup. They had been labelled perpetual runners-up for a number of years before they finally got the winning habit but the nature of their game didn't win them many friends in the era of Busby's Man U, Allison's Man C and Chelsea who all played an attacking game. Everyone goes on about Norman Hunter being the 'hard man' but they were hard through, ask any of the top players of the era and they would tell you Paul Reaney was the man they feared, his dark arts had more subtlety than the well-known hatchet-men of that era. I remember in the 70s some of their European matches that were shown on ITV on Wednesday nights and they often played with a flair and freedom that was up there with the best, yet they would often revert to type grinding out 1-0s in the League. All in all they were a bit of an enigma, remembered without fondness from their initial years at the top they were also, without doubt, one of the best 'teams' of that time. Revie got the blend right in the dressing room and that is where it counts, his tactics overall didn't win many friends but he was the first of the truly professional managers who used dossiers on the opponents in preparation and his attention to detail was the forerunner of the meticulous professionalism that is so prevalent in the game now. Unfortunately, he couldn't transfer that to his time with the England team and he'll always be remembered for quitting for the Arab payday...
I try not to look back with rose-tinted lenses but usually fail miserably. They were harder days, and it was a harder game too, no doubt about it. The whole "legacy" thing fascinates me. Everybody says Clough is "the best manager England never had". The conventional wisdom is that Revie was one of the worst.
Revie's Leeds United, with their dour kick-them-off-the-park cynical-fouling thuggery masquerading as football ruined the beautiful game as we knew it.
And worse. Game fixing. Then he walked out on England just before a World Cup to earn loads of tax free cash in the Middle east
Yes, i might just agree a bit with that one. However after gloughie's short stint they were managed by jimmy armfield. Under his guidances they were in the 1974-75 european cup final against bayern munich. Bayern won that match by a very controversial way. Even beckenbauer himself has admit that their win was unbelieveable lucky. After 1974 wc final between west germany and holland and that match between leeds and bayern were the reasons why i have always hated german teams. Mind you that the case schumacher/battiston in 1982 didn't help that either. Then back to the original thread. Mangers like brian glough doesn't exist anymore and thats a shame. He was a real gem as a manager and was also a great entetainer too.
Clough could be a nasty, self centred sod according to my father-in-law who played with him at Middlesborough. Arrogant and greedy Frank said, oh, and tight too. He used to complain that he was always tapping him for money and never paid it back. "A fu73ing wee sh**e" or words to that effect! A very good footballer though, Frank said.
This is a bit surreal, but was a bit bored with what was on last night, so watched The Damned United on DVD for the second time together with the documentary extras.
I remember being at the City ground when Cloughie clumped a couple of Forest fans. We lost 4-0 I think in the league cup.
