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The 2014 Grand National

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  1. Ron

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  2. CaptainPops

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    Teaforthree 5lbs better than last year. I reckon Tidal Bay will definitely run.. Surely the words ' Well in!' springs to mind! finished 3rd last year, my favourite horse and god I love the way this horse takes a fance... not that Im biased or anything mind!:emoticon-0111-blush
     
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  3. Ron

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    I was wondering whether to have a sub thread (linked from here) for long range short lists. But for now I'll put mine here.

    Sunnyhill Boy
    Merry King (needs 32 to withdraw)
    Godsmejudge



    Edit. All non runners
     
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    Shocking how lenient they've been with old boy Tidal Bay here... Talk about giving him a chance and a half. Contrast that to the mark Hedgehunter received the years after he won it, with this type of leniency he would have been a multiple winner <whistle>
     
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  5. Ron

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    He does get a 3lb veteran's allowance
     
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  6. Ron

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    FOLLOWING the launch of the weights for the 2014 Crabbie&#8217;s Grand National, Timeform, the leading horse racing ratings experts, have announced that the Rebecca Curtis-trained Teaforthree tops their weight-adjusted figures.
    The sure-footed front-runner cut a bold sight over Aintree&#8217;s famous fences en route to finishing a brave third behind the now-retired Auroras Encore last April and, off a mark 2 lb lower this time around, makes plenty of appeal at the weights as things stand.
    Timeform Jumps Handicapper Phil Turner commented: &#8220;Of course, much can change between now and April 5th, as plenty have probably been protecting their handicap marks until the National weights were announced. But Teaforthree looked an Aintree natural last year and is likely to make solid each-way appeal even if a few better-handicapped rivals were to emerge before the big day.&#8221;

    Teaforthree will be bidding to become the first National winner since 2004 hero Amberleigh House to score after being placed in the race previously, and he could be joined in that quest by 2012 placed pair Sunnyhillboy and Seabass.

    The statistics don&#8217;t bode quite so well for the popular veteran Tidal Bay, as you have to go back to 1923 winner Sergeant Murphy to find the last thirteen-year-old to taste National success, though Timeform still rate him as one of the more likely winners due to the BHA&#8217;s policy of favouring those towards the head of the weights nowadays.

    Turner added: &#8220;Tidal Bay has been allotted a mark 7lb lower than he&#8217;d have been asked to carry in a conventional handicap, so he&#8217;s clearly one of the best-treated runners despite top weight.

    &#8220;As for his age, he&#8217;s finished a narrow third in the Welsh National and runner-up in a Grade 1 on his last two starts, so it&#8217;s safe to assume most of his ability is still intact!&#8221;

    Potentially the best-handicapped runner in the field, however, is the 2011 Cheltenham Gold Cup winner Long Run, who has rather lost his way this winter (rated accordingly) after several seasons of consistently top-class form.

    Turner said &#8220;It was a similar scenario with the last Gold Cup winner who went on to claim National glory, 1975 victor L&#8217;Escargot (who, like Long Run, also wore headgear latterly), whilst it is worth bearing in mind that Long Run&#8217;s amateur jockey Sam Waley-Cohen can boast one of the best records over the National fences amongst current riders.&#8221;

    TIMEFORM WEIGHT-ADJUSTED RATINGS
    180 TEAFORTHREE
    179 TIDAL BAY
    178 HIGHLAND LODGE
    178 WAYWARD PRINCE
    178 SHAKALAKABOOMBOOM
    177? KAUTO STONE
    176 SUNNYHILLBOY
    176 THE PACKAGE
    175 BIG SHU
    175 TATENEN
    174p ROCKY CREEK
    174 GODSMEJUDGE
    174 KATENKO
    174 ROI DU MEE
    174 RUBI LIGHT

    Selected others:
    173 ALFIE SHERRIN
    173 MONBEG DUDE
    172+ TRIOLO D&#8217;ALENE
    172 HOME FARM
    171 COLBERT STATION
    171 HAWKES POINT
    170 MOUNTAINOUS
    170 SEABASS
    169+ LONG RUN
    168+ MOSSEY JOE
    168 ON HIS OWN
    167 BALTHAZAR KING
    166 PRINCE DE BEAUCHENE
     
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  7. Sir Barney Chuckles

    Sir Barney Chuckles Who Dares Wins

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    Old boy Pricewise has this morn put up TeaForThree (25/1) and Mr Henderson&#8217;s Shakalakboomboom (40/1). Both have seen their prices cut as a result and the former is now either outright favourite or disputing favourtism depending on who your preferred bookie chappie is.

    Shocking from the &#8216;Racing Post&#8217; today how on page 2 they highlight and shout from the rooftops Mr Henderson&#8217;s poor GN record (0/33 and half a dozen 1st fence fallers) &#8211; although if Mick Fitzgerald hadn&#8217;t fallen off Fiddling The Facts it would have been so, so, so, so different. Cor blimey, if tomorrow they highlight the old boy&#8217;s positives, rather than opting for negative journalism, they will need all the trees from the Amazon to fit them all in. Very disappointed in this publication today.

    Long Run is still around the 25&#8217;s mark which I would still advise people to take whilst the other one who appeals to me is Home Farm, not only because my fave character in &#8216;The Archers&#8217; lives there, but because he ran a most eyecatching race to finish 3rd in the &#8216;Irish National&#8217; last term and has put up a pair of nice, &#8216;quiet&#8217;, runs so far this term. 40/1 NRNB is too big, methinks.
     
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  8. OddDog

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    No laughing please but I can see Boston Bob (the horse, not the forum poster) going well in this off 11-3. He would have won the RSA last season if he'd stood up at the last, and another F at Punchestown wouldn't have done his confidence any good. But Mullins has given him a couple of runs over hurdles to help that and he'll probably run somewhere at the festival to put him right for Aintree. I'd like to see him run over fences again before Aintree (he has entries in the old Racing Post Chase at Kempton plus Ryanair Chase, World Hurdle and Gold Cup at Cheltenham) but at 50/1 he is worth a little e/w snifter.
     
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    interesting to see Burton Port has undergone a wind operation since his last run - and at the weight he has got- if he can rekindle any of his old form- he has a shout of an e/w @ 28/1
     
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    Teaforthree - 3rd last year and nailed on for a place for me at least! I dont know why any of you need to look any further. 20's with BetVictor 5 places and NRFB if he doesnt line up. Its printing money for christs sake!
     
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    Does anyone here know why Merry King is no longer engaged?
     
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  12. OddDog

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    She told him she wouldn't marry him Ron, simple as that. And he didn't want to get jilted at the altar.
     
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  13. Ron

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    Was it Annie?
     
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  14. CaptainPops

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    Heres the list of remaining 73 runners for the Grand National which was posted today. I note that Pete The Feat has been taken out of the race which surely means Noel Fehily rides Teaforthree. Curtis will be chuffed and I expect the jockey is pretty excited about that too..I can not see this horse out of the first 5.

    1) 121-1532 TIDAL BAY (IRE) 13-11-10 Andrea & Graham Wylie Paul Nicholls

    2) 132-54U1 LONG RUN (FR) 9-11-09 Robert Waley-Cohen Nicky Henderson

    3) 13-606034 HUNT BALL (IRE) 9-11-07 Atlantic Equine Nicky Henderson

    4) -F21P20P ROI DU MEE (FR) 9-11-06 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott IRE

    5) 301-1310 TRIOLO D'ALENE (FR) 7-11-06 Sandy & Caroline Orr Nicky Henderson

    6) 1113-22 ROCKY CREEK (IRE) 8-11-05 The Johnson & Stewart Families Paul Nicholls

    7) 211-F4430 KATENKO (FR) 8-11-04 Andrew Brooks Venetia Williams

    8) /F1115-U BOG WARRIOR (IRE) 10-11-02 Gigginstown House Stud Tony Martin IRE

    9) 2U11-11 MOSSEY JOE (IRE) 11-11-01 Barry Connell Enda Bolger IRE

    10) 45-F405P QUITO DE LA ROQUE (FR) 10-11-01 Gigginstown House Stud Colm Murphy IRE

    11) 1U-03U0F COLBERT STATION (IRE) 10-11-00 J P McManus Ted Walsh IRE

    12) 22P52-U4 WALKON (FR) 9-11-00 McNeill Family Alan King

    13) 20P-1111 BALTHAZAR KING (IRE) 10-10-13 The Brushmakers Philip Hobbs

    14) P06-52P0 WAYWARD PRINCE 10-10-13 John & Mrs Hilary Parrott Hilary Parrott

    15) -4503112 MR MOONSHINE (IRE) 10-10-12 Douglas Pryde, Jim Beaumont & David van der Hoeven Sue Smith

    16) 6203-020 TEAFORTHREE (IRE) 10-10-12 Conyers, O'Reilly, Roddis, Zeffman Rebecca Curtis

    17) 10-501U ACROSS THE BAY (IRE) 10-10-11 Scotch Piper Syndicate Donald McCain

    18) F111116 DOUBLE SEVEN (IRE) 8-10-11 J P McManus Martin Brassil IRE

    19) 2131-5PP GODSMEJUDGE (IRE) 8-10-11 Favourites Racing Alan King

    20) 11-1PRP BATTLE GROUP 9-10-10 Jolly Boys Outing Johnny Farrelly

    21) 5-05103 BUCKERS BRIDGE (IRE) 8-10-10 Ann & Alan Potts Partnership Henry de Bromhead IRE

    22) 1/PP-5014 LION NA BEARNAI (IRE) 12-10-10 The Lock Syndicate Tom Gibney IRE

    23) 12-3004 PRINCE DE BEAUCHENE (FR) 11-10-10 Andrea & Graham Wylie Willie Mullins IRE

    24) 13P-3415 MONBEG DUDE (IRE) 9-10-09 Oydunow Michael Scudamore

    25) 2/5PU-01 SUNNYHILLBOY (IRE) 11-10-09 J P McManus Jonjo O'Neill

    26) 1/F0211-23 BIG SHU (IRE) 9-10-08 H Duffy/R J Robinson/Miss C M Woods Peter Maher IRE

    27) 2/-500P02 BURTON PORT (IRE) 10-10-08 Trevor Hemmings Jonjo O'Neill

    28) 0P/124-050 OUR FATHER (IRE) 8-10-08 The Ives & Johnson Families David Pipe

    29) 241-3315 MOUNTAINOUS (IRE) 9-10-07 Walters Plant Hire & James & Jean Potter Richard Lee

    30) 4UP-261 THE RAINBOW HUNTER 10-10-07 May We Never Be Found Out Partnership Kim Bailey

    31) 2P-1262F VINTAGE STAR (IRE) 8-10-07 Trevor Hemmings Sue Smith

    32) 0400-1P4 CHANCE DU ROY (FR) 10-10-06 Miss I D Du Pre Philip Hobbs

    33) 12P-426 HAWKES POINT 9-10-06 Graham Roach Paul Nicholls

    34) 2-441103 KRUZHLININ (GER) 7-10-06 Paul & Clare Rooney Donald McCain

    35) 35F2013 PINEAU DE RE (FR) 11-10-06 J A Provan Dr Richard Newland

    36) 1R03/3-U1 GOLAN WAY 10-10-05 W R B Racing 58 Tim Vaughan

    37) 125010U TWIRLING MAGNET (IRE) 8-10-05 Gay Smith Jonjo O'Neill

    38) 302-FU0 VESPER BELL (IRE) 8-10-05 Susannah Ricci Willie Mullins IRE

    39) 612-00P5 SAME DIFFERENCE (IRE) 8-10-04 Mrs R Vaughan Nigel Twiston-Davies

    40) 5/4/14PP-3 THE PACKAGE 11-10-04 The Johnson Family David Pipe

    41) 15211-P0P3 RAZ DE MAREE (FR) 9-10-03 Dessie Hughes Dessie Hughes IRE

    42)114P-01 ROSE OF THE MOON (IRE) 9-10-03 Middleham Park Racing XXXIII & Partners David O'Meara

    43) /11220/-6P0 SHAKALAKABOOMBOOM (IRE) 10-10-03 Liam Breslin Nicky Henderson

    44) 6R3-51P ALVARADO (IRE) 9-10-02 William & Angela Rucker Fergal O'Brien

    45) 51433-00 LAST TIME D'ALBAIN (FR) 10-10-02 Fontstown Syndicate Liam Cusack IRE

    46) 1P-130PP LOST GLORY (NZ) 9-10-02 J P McManus Jonjo O'Neill

    47) 23-F3P465 ONE IN A MILAN (IRE) 9-10-02 Paul Langford Evan Williams

    48) P1-2502 GOONYELLA (IRE) 7-10-01 Ann & Alan Potts Partnership Jim Dreaper IRE

    49) 1162-0P1 GOULANES (IRE) 8-10-01 Roger Brookhouse David Pipe

    50) 14406-50 SWING BILL (FR) 13-10-01 Halewood International Ltd David Pipe

    51) B/0010-5405 SOLL 9-10-00 Derrick Mossop Jo Hughes

    52) 121114 MINELLA FOR VALUE (IRE) 8-9-13 Maxilead Limited John Butler

    53) 1-2301P1 NIGHT IN MILAN (IRE) 8-9-13 Richard Collins Keith Reveley

    54) 3000-04P SAINT ARE (FR) 8-9-13 David Fox Tim Vaughan

    55) 22/0-P50P OUT NOW (IRE) 10-9-12 Dermot Cox/Nelius Hayes Edward O'Grady IRE

    56) 2-50231P TRANQUIL SEA (IRE) 12-9-12 No Dramas Partnership 1 Warren Greatrex

    57) 13/304-40 ALFIE SHERRIN 11-9-11 J P McManus Jonjo O'Neill

    58) 1P0-3326 COURT BY SURPRISE (IRE) 9-9-11 Nick Mustoe Emma Lavelle

    59) 2B6-P51P THERE'S NO PANIC (IRE) 9-9-11 The Stewart Family Paul Nicholls

    60) 6050F-030 QUISCOVER FONTAINE (FR) 10-9-10 J P McManus Enda Bolger IRE

    61) F1111006 STANDING OVATION (IRE) 7-9-10 The Bravo Partnership David Pipe

    62) 03-00P16 WYCK HILL (IRE) 10-9-10 J P McManus David Bridgwater

    63) -3341201 BAILE ANRAI (IRE) 10-9-09 Massive Dan Skelton

    64) 2110F0 GULLIBLE GORDON (IRE) 11-9-09 Karen Bowen Peter Bowen

    65) PP/4-P050 QUINZ (FR) 10-9-09 Andrew Cohen Philip Hobbs

    66) 0-P53252 ANY CURRENCY (IRE) 11-9-06 Cash Is King Martin Keighley

    67) 6-5U024P SIR DU BEARN (FR) 8-9-06 Mickey Bowen Peter Bowen

    68) F-0465430 SOLIX (FR) 8-9-06 Paul Vogt Ian Williams

    69) 3313F652 STORM SURVIVOR (IRE) 8-9-06 J P McManus Jonjo O'Neill

    70) 013444 VICTRIX GALE (IRE) 8-9-06 Badgers Syndicate Tony Martin IRE

    71) 004-26P35 TOUR DES CHAMPS (FR) 7-9-04 Raymond Mould Nigel Twiston-Davies

    72) 4-22112F MERLIN'S WISH 9-9-02 Miss R Toppin Martin Keighley

    73) 1213003 SERGEANT PINK (IRE) 8-8-11 Andrew Sayer Dianne Sayer

    73 entries remain after March 18 scratching deadline

    THE FOLLOWING 27 HORSES HAVE BEEN SCRATCHED: ON HIS OWN (IRE), BOSTON BOB (IRE), SEABASS (IRE), KAUTO STONE (FR), CANTLOW (IRE), TONER D'OUDAIRIES (FR), CARLINGFORD LOUGH (IRE), CAPE TRIBULATION, MASSINI'S MAGUIRE (IRE), QUANTITATIVEEASING (IRE), JUNIOR, SIRE COLLONGES (FR), MON PARRAIN (FR), HOME FARM (IRE), PETE THE FEAT (IRE), MART LANE (IRE), WELL REFRESHED, TATENEN (FR), PANDORAMA (IRE), ROMANESCO (FR), UNDERTHEBOARDWALK (IRE), WRONG TURN (IRE), REAL MILAN (IRE), BOB FORD (IRE), LIVING NEXT DOOR (IRE), WHODOYOUTHINK (IRE) & TARQUINIUS (FR)
     
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    At present my short list consists of:

    Teaforthree

    Godsmejudge

    Big Shu

    Burton Port

    Mountainous



    I have taken Sunnyhill Boy off
     
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    Nicholls has confirmed jockey bookngs for his National runners and Im surprised to see Noel Fehily rides Rocky Creek as I thought he would be snapped up to ride Teaforthree. However the owners of Teaforthree say Nick Scholfield has done nothing wrong and they want to stay with him.

    Quite interesting......................
     
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  17. Chaninbar

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    Much as I wouldn't begrudge T43 a victory in this I couldn't be having 10/1 about anything in a 40 runner race over 4.5 miles. Now that Bet365 are offering NRNB I've settled on a couple. One with a touch of class carrying a reasonable weight and the other towards the bottom with decent previous over the national obstacles.
    Quito De La Roque @ 66s. Classy horse on his day I reckon this one will out run his odds if he turns up. Showed up well for a long way in the GN trial at Punchestown before finding a few with feather weights going past him at the end.
    Chance Du Roy @ 40s. Towards the bottom of the weights and has an excellent record over the national fences with a first and second from 3 attempts.
     
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    Cheers stick. That site is in the thread header and there are lots of options from there but the one you have drawn attention to is particularly handy so I'll update the header with a direct link to it.


    PS. Great fun playing with that
     
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    NIGHT IN MILAN, primed and ready to place im told

    i like B king and Big Shu

    stay frosty
     
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