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Stephen dobbie

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  1. Scottswan

    Scottswan Active Member

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    No, the old Brendan is manager of the team I support, and while I may not understand all of his decisions I'm willing to go with them as he ultimately knows a lot more about all things football than I, or any of us, do. Syndrome.
     
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  2. Kifflom!

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    <laugh>

    That's a big syndrome.
     
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  3. valleyswan

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    I don't think so , simply he is there at the sharp end and knows the players better than us. No matter what us amateur managers say on here or other forums he is in the best position to assess the situation at hand, it's got us 43 points with 3 games left. We are safe from relegation and can build for next season. That building will be without dobbie probably, and if Blackpool are promoted I think he won't be wanted there either.

    Dobbie's problem is that he is a good championship level player, but the premier league is beyond his level just like Jason Scotland, and we got to trust Bendan's judgement on this as he is our manager, no god worship just facing facts.
     
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  4. Kifflom!

    Kifflom! Well-Known Member

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    Trusting someone's judgement is fine if he's always right. But who is? Rodgers has been utterly brilliant for us no doubt but he's not infallible.

    1: Never a plan B
    2: Dodgy subs

    Those two spring to mind.

    Oh and,

    3: Not persevering with Dobbie

    That's another.

    If you just blindly agree with everything the Manager does then that's daft hero worship in my book - and I've met Rodgers and think he's a fantastic guy.

    But what about this? If he's not up to this level and Rodgers sees no use for him why didn't he try and sell him in the Jan window? He could have easily told him there was no space for him here. He didn't. He said he "didn't want to lose (his) best players, and Stephen is one of them".

    Seems disingenuous to me. If you don't fancy him then sell him and cash in.
     
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  5. Scottswan

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    Nobody is infallible, but I think to consistently criticise someone because of an "oversight" or for "not persevering" is very harsh. We have had an incredible season with yes, some moments where mistakes have been made, but as I said, I think someone who is A) a professional and B) has seen the player on a day to day basis for 18 months before loaning him out is infinitely more qualified to make those decisions than we are, and I'm 100% happy with that.

    As for the selling thing, it is a weird one... maybe he wanted to hold onto him in case we got relegated? That's not a knock on Dobbie, just an angle that popped into my head. Also, his value will probably go up through us being in the PL for 2 years/scoring more goals for Blackpool so it might yet work out alright. Good luck to the guy.
     
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  6. Kifflom!

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    Well it's a good debate for sure. Glad you didn't delete it now.

    Let's await incoming. <doh>
     
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  7. valleyswan

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    But you are saying that with the benefit of hindsight, how about all the times he has brought on a sub and it worked ? Highlighting just the ones that didn't is not the full picture! And plan b , what is that ?

    We play the same way just like stoke does, it works for both teams. Even if the styles are completely different. It seems that your hero worship of dobbie is clouding your judgement here, Brendan doesn't think he fits the bill, he's the manager and whether you think he's right or wrong he is the one to have the final say.

    The reason why he didn't sell dobbie is that was in the best interests of the club at that time, as he said at the time dobbie is getting paid a lot of money by us, we hold his contract ultimately it is up to us to play him, or subject to his approval sold or loaned out.
     
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  8. Kifflom!

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    Agree it's Rodgers who calls the shots. No problem at all.

    As for "hero worship of dobbie" I'm just looking at his record of scoring important goals for us and Blackpool. All I'm saying is that such a record deserves attention and not dismissal. I don't think he's not been given a fair crack but I accept others disagree. If he was pants we wouldn't be having this debate.
     
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  9. swantastic

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    I hope Dobbies loan to B-pool doesnt come with an option to buy clause in it, same as Hoffenhiem refused to give to us with Siggys loan because Dobbies stock seems to be rising well there too !
     
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  10. DragonPhilljack

    DragonPhilljack Well-Known Member

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    Well I'm speechless for the first time in I don't know how long! It's a shame the abuse has risen it's ugly head again, I like to keep that for the Bluetits, but there you go, don't know why my thread was closed, surely Ash it's simpler to remove the garbage? ..........<ok>



    As for Dobbie some including myself think he can do a job in the Prem, but he's hardly been given the chance with two starts has he? no point going on about his seven sub appearances five minutes from the end of games, as that is just a token appearance, and nothing else. It seems that some on here are stating that Rodgers doesn't see Dobbie as Prem quality, but is that true? Well if it were true then Rodgers would have loaned him out this season, but he didn't, because Rodgers wanted Dobbie for injury cover, so it's obvious that Rodgers thinks he can do a job, but my difference with Rodgers is he puts those two donkeys of Lita and Moore in front of Dobbie, and there is no logical reason to this, as both Lita and Moore's goal record both in Championship and Prem is crap, and many of us were not happy with Lita and Moore coming to the Liberty, before they had signed, but whatever you think, they will be gone next year hopefully. Rodgers has issues with Dobbie, what it is I've no idea, but to play Moore in front of him is a poor management decision! If now Moore is that better a player, then why didn't Rodgers use Moore at Wembley instead of Dobbie? the fact is it's obvious to anyone who has played the great game, which striker has the greater potential, and Rodgers new that going into the play-offs, but after using Dobbie he goes back to that ponderous character of Moore, as sub all season, and to me Rodgers has demonstrated nepotism not ability in his selection!................
    <ok>
     
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  11. Kifflom!

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    <laugh> Well I did say you'd go "wtf??"
     
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  12. DragonPhilljack

    DragonPhilljack Well-Known Member

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    Hell man the hand bags have been out for sure!.....................<laugh>




    Why is it Manselton reminds me of aber dude!.............
    <cheers>
     
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  13. Norway-jack

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    Hand bags been out,rape alarm been going off,ripped tights and broken stiletto's actually <laugh>

    Anyway, i guess the only way we are going to find out about Dobbie in the prem league is to hope that he gets them(Blackpool) promoted via the play-offs and he joins them permenently and does a Gylfi !!

    Its possible it could happen, until then i will go along with our manager and his selection Policy. He obviously beleives others have more variety in their game and offer more overall, i can see the logic in it, our bench needs to be able to fill a number of positions, Dobbie can only play one position, i understand the way buck may be thinking though i can understand if the Dobbie fan club is upset <ok>
     
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  14. It'sChicoTime

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    Phil, I did remove the garbage but that got ridiculed aswell.

    Moving on......
     
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  15. Norway-jack

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    ...Thought we did that already ??
     
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  16. It'sChicoTime

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    We are. Was just answering Phil's question mate.
     
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  17. DragonPhilljack

    DragonPhilljack Well-Known Member

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    Fair comment Ash, I haven't read every post, as it was so obvious what was going on!............. <cheers>
     
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  18. It'sChicoTime

    It'sChicoTime Well-Known Member

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    You wouldn't want to. Think its either aber or JH.
     
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  19. jackdan

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    I dont blindly follow and agree with Rodgers, Points 1 & 2 are two of the main reason I think that Rodgers will not be going to Spurs in the summer as he isnt ready but just because YOU think he hasn't persevered with Dobbie doesnt mean he hasn't!! There is a lot more than just game time that goes into finding out whether a player will cut it at this level! And the reason we didnt sell him in January, in my opinion, is that in January we could have got relegated and it would have been stupid getting rid of a great upper championship standard player...now we are not getting relegated don't be surprised to see him be at Blackpool permanently next season!
     
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  20. Norway-jack

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    Jackdan- Pretty much what i said earlirer in this thread . The point you make about keeping him in January makes alot of sense to me, others tend to think the guy has been really hard done by but i beleive that if he was doing it in training and in the chances he had then Rodgers wouldn't hang him out to dry!

    I think its safe to say that we all love Dobbie as a player but Brenden is a good coach who would know more about what is required in the prem league than us!! he see's flaws in players games that we would never see.

    I posted an article back in November about Rodgers having his favourites and i beleive that to be true, but you cant argue with his overall handling of this campaign, its been pretty flawless in the grand scheme of things.

    We all moan and argue about what is right and wrong but at the end of the day we are all armchair managers who dont know all the inside info and inner workings of what goes on in training and at the club, to argue so so strongly that Dobbie should be in the team and its a mistake to not have him here is a joke IMO, nobody can really argue with the teams league position and what the manager and players have acheived, there is no way we would be any higher with Dobbie in the team imo but some beg to differ of course!

    This thread reminds me of the Bodde threads. It has gone from one end of the spectrum to the other and created some great debate, the facts remain that dobbie will divide opinion very much like Ferrie did, meanwhile the club goes from strength to strength without them which pretty much sums it all up for me <ok>
     
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