I have a feeling notdistant is my eldest son in disguise...he thinks he knows it all as well .....................time for me to run along I think
I wonder if there is Vat on a brain licence? or you can get one for cash some how? Just buy the pasties cash.
I've yet to see a response to your VAT point plym. Exactly how much VAT has the pasty producer been pocketing all these years then. I will ignore the brain comment notdistant as not really worthy of response. It seems to me that this particular Government won't stop taxing things until the pips have not only squeaked but have popped out of everyones nostrils. I got on a bus today to go into the Town Centre. A woman in front of me was shocked that the price of a return fare has gone up 70p from today. That is something like 33%. Everything and it's dog has gone up in price except the pensions and wages of the serfs has remained pretty much the same or even less. Now I know who went a long way to helping the **** to hit the fan in the first place but boy are the current lot taking every opportunity to blame the rises on the opposition and restore the status quo of putting the average family in it's rightful place. And of course we are expected to be grateful. Here is a good one. The price of an alcohol unit is to be set at a higher rate to stop cheap stuff being sold to the masses. Now I think it is too cheap also and too available to people who drink too much of it. But, the hypocracy is that in the news a short while ago was an MP who got pissed in the House of Commons bar and stuck one on somebody in his drunken state. He bought the drink in the subsidised bar they have where a double short and mixer costs around 70p. Probably after eating sometime during the day in the subsidised resturant in the same building. That is a bar and a resturant that you and me the tax payer is shelling out for. I must be F*****g stupid for allowing my money to be spent on that and not starting a revolution. I deserve to pay extra for my pasty.
The Government have inflation under control sensible.....so you must of made all that up.......Cameron and Osborne from their ivory towers have no idea what happens beyond the rich enclaves that their families live in........with rich mummys and daddys protecting them from the big bad world when they where youngsters......keeping them away from the nasty children from the council estate.........making sure they went to the right schools and Universities (I nearly said Uni...but they wouldn't like that at Oxbridge). I have for the last twenty years or so not bothered too much about being short of money......but there are things happening under this government that really slam the poorer under-priveleged part of society.........and even I am noticing the price increases through-out every type of expenditure. With petrol around £6.50 a gallon I find it totally obscene that a garage with queues can decide to put the price up there and then for more lovely jubbly profit,thats how lynching starts.........this Tory government started that jerry can rush for petrol.........and don't let notDistant tell you otherwise. Living in Orpington you see that "job for the boys" attitude, we have Boris's little brother shipped in to be our new Tory MP (the previous one retired).........I would think he had to be shown where Orpington was before he came to be automatically selected,....... of course you can expect little brother to warmly welcome Boris to visit our High Street to spout off what he will do for us if re-elected.......just like this government, probably reversing promises when it suits them/him.
It's up to them whether they now put the price up or swallow the VAT themselves. The point is that food has always been zero rated [as a necessity] and meals standard rated [as a luxury]. The boundary happens to be somewhere in biscuits & buns and snacks & take-aways. Hot pasties should always have been subject to VAT but the sellers have chosen to pretend they don't and to that extent have been retaining the implied tax element. They haven't been paying VAT on their costs [raw food ingredients & wages principally] and they've been up against competing products which carry prices inclusive of VAT e.g. fish & chips so overall, they've been doing very well out of it. To be fair, they've been allowed to get away with it to date but the responsibility always lies with the trader to account for VAT properly. This is a complete storm-in-a-teacup, precisely the sort of triviality which gets politics a bad name - together with the newspapers that stir it up. PS If you want schools & hospitals Sensible, we have to pay taxation to get them. The last Government left the country bankrupt http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/may/17/liam-byrne-note-successor and so it's now doubly difficult. And no it wasn't all to do with the banking crash, Gordon Brown went on spending when the indicators said he shouldn't back in 2005 by fiddling his own rules: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4695823.stm If you're concerned about the less well off, don't forget also that Brown single handedly struck the original hammer-blow to pension funds that is still working through the system http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6521305.stm Compared to that lot, a few pence on a pasty is really a triviality.
Here we are. A reasoned explanation: http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/lim...ed-pasty-tax/story-15678058-detail/story.html The tabloid version, complete with presumably accidental spelling mistake http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4230919/CORNISH-PATSY.html
Pension funds.... notDistant........what the hell do the poor and deprived know about pension funds.....get real man your in another world compared to them. Harping back to before the general election.....2010,2007 and 2005 notDistant is a smokescreen to cover up what Osborne is doing to this country at present,this shifty eyed Chancellor is changing the balance against the poor, who have no chance of fighting back against his upper class principles. The Liberal Democrats must be squirming in the pits that they dug for themselves supporting the Torys (unelectable in any form now). Whilst the Labour party are devoid of any form of leadership to offer an alternative Government. The Torys in the meanwhile will make hay while the sun shines with their co-partners scared to rock the boat.....because an election would blow them out of the water for twenty years,if not for ever.
Rubbish Plymborn, the decisions taken by Brown to achieve political advantage created an ongoing & unsustainable balance between spending and taxation, leading to spiralling Government debt. If the mismangement had continued, we'd be where Spain & Portugal are now, peering over the edge of a financial meltdown. Between the 2005 and 2010 elections, debt went from about 2.5% of GDP to 7.5%. By April 2011, less than a year after the election, we were only behind Ireland & Greece with a budget deficit of 10.5%. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...s-third-biggest-budget-deficit-in-Europe.html and it's since motored on to an eye watering 12%. Oh, and who was financial adviser to Brown from 1994 to 2004 and Brown's Economic Secretary to the Treasury from 2006 to 2007? Why none other than fee-paying Nottingham High School, Keble College Oxford and Harvard educated toff Ed Balls, friend of convicted fraudster Conrad Black, now Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer, God help us.
Notdistant is either a rich man, a tory or both. Notdistant you talk a lot about the gutter press and in part I agree with you but without the tabloid press where would we be? We wouldn't be any the wiser regarding currupt polititians - a good example of this is the expences scandal. I don't care what shower is in power the fact is they are all in it for their own gain and the afor mentioned is a perfect example of this! What do the Cameron's know about the average man's struggle to keep his head above water? He was educated at Eton for Christ sake and both he and his wife are millionaires.
For somebody who threw the "believe everything in the tabloids" at me notdistant you are doing a great job in quoting them. I on the other hand have not bought a newspaper for at least 10 years now and not read one for an equal amount of time. I discount the local paper which I have read occasionally but mostly only the sport section. You on the other hand appear to believe everything you hear and see telling you how needy we are and how things will fall apart if we don't all cough up everything we have. Pasties are but one item out of a very long line of getting the less well off to throw whatever money they have into the Government bucket. I'm not obsessed with pasties but it is just one thing locally to use as an example. I'm not rich by any stretch of the imagination but I will neither starve nor freeze because I have provided for myself in my dotage. Even though I have done this without being a burden on the state in any benefits and thus being a catalist for previous Government overspending I am still being squeezed. My savings give me very little in income anymore and are not looking like they will anytime soon. I draw no state pension as yet and only get a bus pass and a winter fuel allowance. I don't need the winter fuel allowance but the bus pass comes in handy. I still pay income tax even though my income is just over £1k per month. We are not paying these exorbitant increases in cost to finance Hospitals and schools notdistant. There are no extra of either as far as I'm aware. What we are paying for is the incompetance of previous Government and probably then some just to top up the coffers for another rainy day. I should be grateful? No I don't think so. I have no time for politicians of any colour these days as the public end up screwed whichever party is ruling.
This is a football forum? . It does not matter what these clowns who run the country do. its for their selves. Greedy bastards. Be care full now as they are reading our emails, texts. Getting more like China and Iran now. I don't but the comics either Sensible, there full of **** like the government. Scrap the Vat, i pay a lot of that and for what? No benefit to me. Just a collector for the taxman and we get fook all.
