I see Platini has today come out with the idea of sin bins for football a la rugby. This would replace the traditional yellow card system. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/ Would this be a good thing? Would it work? Would it mean that refs, who almost always are reluctant to remove a player from the field are less likely to give yellows in future? An interesting idea or ridiculous?
It would require a complete mind change within the sport to make this work. Can you imagine the melee that would ensue around the referee if say, Rooney,or Ferdinand,Barton,et al, were sent to the bin.? It would take ten minutes to get them off the field. Rugby shows football up when it comes to discipline on the pitch. Arguing with officials is rare,because it is dealt with immediately,to the detriment of the complainer and his team. Footballers,on the other hand,are mostly overpaid yobs who don't have the faintest notion of what discipline is,and therein lies the problem. Is it a good idea? Probably worth a try,but there will be monumental problems implementing it.
I think it's an excellent idea, as if a player is side lined for 15 minutes and he watches his team concede a goal because of his actions, then that is one powerful lesson, that I think could clean up some of the nonsense we see every week in games, so I'm all for it, I'd also like to see the Video ref introduced too!.......
I think losing a man for 10 minutes doesn't have the same impact as it does in rugby with regards to being open to conceding, but if you lost your only striker (and plenty of teams are only playing one up front) and your team loses the impetus. Interesting... As for the issue of rugby vs football refereeing. It could be fixed in one season. You get every player who wants to be registered in one place like the O2 arena or Birmingham NEC. From the bottom of league two up to the premier league. Every player has to turn up or can't play. Then you show them some video footage of rugby refereeing and true player respect. They get told that only the captain can question the ref and if the ref gives him and answer, he has to sod off. Even if he's not happy with the decision. Tell them they will get a yellow card each time they misbehave in regards to their interaction with one of the officials. The season starts. Many, many players get yellow cards and sending offs in the first two or three games. The clubs get extra fines in they have an excessive number of players from their club get carded for lack of discipline. They'll cotton on fairly quickly.
As Shaper suggests above, it's the indiscipline that needs to be sorted out not the punishment. Personally I do not think a sin bin scenario would work. Imagine the increase in the amount of diving that would go on in an attempt to influence a referee. I would suggest play-acting would increase and when the innocent party is punished it could lead to goals being scored thereby doubling the punishment and the injustice.
I don't like it. Players like Suarez who are so skillful on the ball are able to nick the ball away milliseconds before the tackle is attempted, which normally results in a yellow card for the defender. The player may not have intentionally tried to foul him but would get sin binned anyway and the whole team suffers. Football will lose all it's physicality as no player would be willing to put a foot in.
Platini comes out with all these silly ideas from time to time, Why don't he just leave the game alone that has worked for well over a hundred years as he is putting the ref's job into an impossible position. There is nothing wrong with yellow cards as it is as a yellow is a warning and 2 yellows is a sending off. A yellow is given when the ref is not sure if its a sending off and the minute you start sending players to the sin bin you will ruin the game completely. You know how many fans say "that was never a yellow card" It happens every game but the player at least stays on the pitch and with the sin bin he will put teams at a huge disadvantage that will end any fair play. we all know that ref's are vulnerable to pressure from the crowd and that would induce his action....Leave football as it is and stop making it to complicated that it was never intended to be.
Well I kind of agree with that. Ill discipline and a licence to abuse officials is the problem, not the way it's dealt with. Though the idea is intrigung. I hate seeing players screaming abuse at linos and refs. I've seen our players do it too and it's wrong. You don't need the sound on to see what they're saying. It sets a terrible example to youngsters who think they can do the same thing in their local teams every week. Most fans of the game want to see that stamped out, and I'm not sure the sin bin idea will change that. There should be zero tolerance of abuse of officials with yellows and even reds being flourished when it happens. The 'Respect' agenda has completely disappeared hasn't it? It's one thing to remonstrate with a ref and telll him he's got it wrong but there's no excuse for some of the stuff we see. As Dai says, maybe if only captains were allowed to speak to the ref on the field of play that would help.
Sooner that refs got some balls and gave cards to everyone who gobbed off at them. The lower amateur leagues have this with the little hitler referees but the pro game doesn't muster the courage to use their cards for bad mouthing
Agree with everyone on the discipline front. Zero tolerance. It's not as if remonstrating with the ref has ever got a decision reversed! The sin bin, whilst not a bad idea in theory, would just result in too much pressure on the ref.
All for it. Players are so up themselves that two or three from the same team can watch how their egos cost the team the game. While we are at it they can introduce the video referee; an independent referee complaints watchdog; a minimum of 8 weeks fine for violent conduct and post match red cards following a mandatory three hour period where the referee must review the game he just officiated. Now that would sort some of the mess out.
in our local league when I was the secretary we implemented a sin bin system but also kept the red and yellow cards. the sin bin was basically used for players who were starting to get carried away and basically to stop them earning a yellow or red. I thought it worked as the ten players soon told the sin binned player to pull his head in and as we all know x amount of yellows = a suspension. It started the players to think before they reacted and the number of players sinbinned reduced dramatically throughout the seasons. I think it is a great idea to use when idiots like Rooney give the ref a gobfull (personally I believe a ref should card any player who does that should get a yellow and if foul language was used a red), I think its a great idea if used properly.
Good idea when you first think about it, but then it becomes totally unworkable for all the reasons mentioned above. I do think that the first priority should be getting players and managers to respect referees and their assistants. ANY abuse of refs should result in a booking (or sin binning?). It'll soon stop.
Isn't it interesting that most fans seem to dislike the abuse of officials? Maybe the authorities should take note!
Interesting. FIFA should trial it in a semi-pro league like they do with other ideas. Followed an Isthmian league club years ago and they trialed a system where a throw in could be kicked in. Was supposed to speed the game up but obviously had the opposite effect.
Speaking of possible rule changes: I know this sounds silly and I know that people probably don't agree with me on this, but I always hated the penalty rules. The idea that a imaginary line basically determined an entire game instead of the importance of the rule violation. This leads to stupid penalty rulings (like hand ball). I don't think that a defender not having completely control of his arm in a key moment should determine an entire game. I do however believe that an arm or hand stopping a clear goal scoring opportunity should lead to a penalty (aka. Suarez in the 2010 WC quarter finals). It also leads to stupid free kick decisions (like a a free attacker getting tackled outside of the penalty area by the goal keeper) So instead of leaving it up to the penalty area, a penalty could theoretically be given on the whole field, as long as the action is robbing a team off of a clear goal scoring opportunity (so it will generally only be giving on the final 1/3) and a rule violation inside the penalty area that is of less importance (like hand ball for instance) would "only" lead to a free kick outside of the penalty area. I think this would be more fair. /Rant
"It's not as if remonstrating with the ref has ever got a decision reversed!" I think you are right there,dai. Which beggars the question,why do some teams,e.g., Man Utd., constantly remonstrate with the officials,if not to get decisions reversed? Could it be to influence the next,and subsequent decisions, that could go against them? After all referees are human,and don't really need the aggro from the likes of Rooney,Ferdinand,etc. Discipline needs addressing,and the sooner the better as far as I'm concerned. Draconian measures are needed,e.g.,only the captain can approach the referee,and then only to seek clarification on a decision. No discussion should take place however. Any player who chooses to intervene and mouth off, should be booked,do it twice, and it's an early bath. Were these limitations to be implemented, I can foresee a vast improvement in the flow of the game.
Exactly how I feel, and as for pressure on Refs, well that's always going to be there, but this system will sort the crap on the pitch in my view!............
