I've ignored the normal frustrations of a bellend - for the benefit of clarity, I'm talking about you, Dutch. If it's not the owners, who is it? Is it West or South Yorkshire Police? Is it the folk who say they like banners, but can't really get their arse in gear? Is it the folk who mustered to defend their right to travel to a game? Or is it the scabs who expressed their freedom of choice? I don't know the answer, but you, Dutch Mountain Dog, can educate us all. Do you use this board to further your own petty dislikes, or do you recognise that the owners just might have some responsibility for turning fan against fan; what is is answer, Dutch, as it would be better to see you putting flash on the bones, rather that stripping it off , as a scavenger, earth than a predator? I'm sure you'll have a response, hey ho.
Re your first sentence, the balance of pro-Allam posts by you compared to anti-Allam ones demonstrate beyond any doubt that you have an all-consuming anti-Allam obsession. Your second sentence as a statement is obviously true - but are you implying that Allam has always treated all fans with nothing but contempt & has done nothing good for Hull City?
Very easy question for you Dutch. Why on earth do you constantly question representatives of HCST and never (as far I can tell) the Allams? You've banged on about the seat thing forever, but I only ever read you complaining that CTWD and now HCST don't do enough or are doing things in the wrong way. You are a no name change "hooligan". When are you going to post something anti-Allam, rather than anti OLM?
What you've posted isn't a genuine question, it's a strawman. I'm not anti-trust, or anti-Olm and I'm not pro-Allam. I post on a discussion forum, generally on topics I've an interest in, and sometimes that means having a different opinion to others. Some choose to believe things that suit their agenda, so someone pointing out that there's an alternative version of things to the one being pedalled seems to upset them. It's not about the personalities involved, it's just getting a broader understanding of events.
If you have a look, you'l find that trait lays with others. Generally speaking, I don't tend to notice who has posted, I respond to the content, not the poster. If certain others tried that, perhaps threads wouldn't degenerate into tedious ad hominem like this, and we could end up with a more accurate understanding of what's going on.
Okay, they should have kept it as CTWD. HTH. If you meant the Hull Tigers nonsense, as you seem to be claiming inner knowledge of my mind and motivation, I'm sure you'l be able to find plenty of posts where I claim to be not bothered either way, if not down right in support. In your own time. While you're posting them (which if you're right should be a doddle) maybe you could explain what difference it would make to the discussion of the other individual topics. Are you saying, no matter what their belief, people can only post their opposition as a rabid, ranting hooligan, and ignore other truths in the process? That sounds like a ridiculous, unconstructive position to me.
I'm trying, (unsuccessfully) to find where your loyalties lie and what 'really' bothers you. Off to bed...
My 'loyalties' are mentioned in quite a few of my posts, they're quite clearly to Hull City AFC. Why the **** I need to demonstrate that before this thread can move on will probably remain a mystery. A pointless one, but a mystery all the same. Perhaps if you just looked at the points raised rather than trying to rake in some hackneyed personality analysis, your life (and this board) could run a bit smoother. How come you don't question the loyalties and motivations of other posters? On second thoughts, don't answer that, this thread's dull enough and drifted far enough off topic as it is. Funny how often that happens when things get questioned.
Looking how successful a European club is in retaining season ticket sales in comparison to Hull City may be valid. I cannot see it myself, but others can and fair play to them. Club loyalties seem to be stronger in Europe. None of this supporting ManU whilst living in Hull ****e. Also the sporting club structure is far better for building membership and from that selling season tickets. Clubs do struggle financially, but they are seen as central to the community and therefore receive local and regional government backing. We lack the foundations that European sporting clubs have had for years. Looking back at the politics of Europe, building bonds through sport has been part of the social engineering of many countries. A quick look at the histories of Germany, France, Spain and Italy, shows that sports clubs have had a role in society, that simply did not appear to be needed here. In many town and cities in Europe, the sporting club structure provides all of the sporting facilities, here local councils provide them. Commerce replaced community in our football long ago, not many professional football clubs are linked with any other sports and I believe that they should be. Patronage plays as big a part in sporting clubs and ownership, does here. Barcelona are holding their elections now and the next President will have to have reasonably deep pockets. Supporter involvement is a key factor in running a successful club and Hull City has a lot to learn. The division between supporters only exists (in my opinion) generally on forums. I only know ( in person) one supporter who actually would like to see Hull Tigers. But the debate has shifted now and it seems that on here it is not enough just to be Anti name change, you have to be anti owner too. I find to amusing that posters on here will be pulled up for spelling or grammar, yet if anything trust related is challenged, well, go to the back of the class. Posters are right, it is always the same crowd, who,seem to knock what gets posted by the gods that are members of HCST, maybe it's because instead of being blinkered, they see things differently. Sometimes what is posted as fact, isn't correct, but I suppose that best thing to do is ignore it and accept that what is posted is always right, even when later on it gets corrected, just don't get a spelling wrong.
It's simply not true that I have an 'all-consuming anti-Allam obsession', in fact, up until fairly recently, I was anti-name change but not anti-Allam at all. It was only when the second name change application went in, along with the misuse of the ASI money, the insulting interviews and then the Airco debacle that my opinion changed. I don't think everything he's done for City has been bad, he started off very well, he stopped us going into admin and invested in the team, but after his fall-out with Geraghty, he lost sight of what was important and went.on personal crusade to the detriment of the club and it's fans. Up until this year, I'd have been happy to see the name changed dropped and for him to remain in charge. Unfortunately, I think it's gone too far now and I don't see any chance of him getting a large percentage of the fan base back on side. That being the case, I think it's better if he moves on and allows someone else to try and build bridges and unify the fans.
I think many share your view. The problem is that a new owner may have plans that are not dissimilar to Assem and Ehabs. The relationship between the club and HCC may be an attraction for a new owner. If something is broken, repairing it may increase the overall benefit of purchase.
This is another thread that has turned into willy waving and argument. I came here to read about season tickets. Sick to the back teeth of name change, owner blather. Although I am not sure what else you can say about season tickets beyond sales to date.
The chances of us having two owners who pursued completely ridiculous ideas like Allam's are slim to not existent.
I am not talking about the name change, if it is approved, no need, if it isn't no point. I do not think a new owner would automatically have an open door policy for the trust.
Great post. Though i'd expect irememberwiggo to ignore most of that and just keep going on about how 'anti-allam' you are.
