Shock horror surprise surprise old Brendan Rogers has finally bitten the dust. This sacking is probably the most anticipated in football. The media have gone on and on about his time being limited for ages now. In fact I think they were dying to write this headline and given the pressure they put everyone under probably forced it into happening. You have to feel a bit for him. Liverpool are a done and dusted club now and there is no way they can compete with the other 4 who dominate. History has nothing to do with the now and no amount of trophies won over the years makes one jot of difference to their chances now. The expectations of the fans remains as if this was 20 years ago and is unrealistic.
Think your pretty much spot on Greeny....error in my opinion the fella is a good Manager and I hope he finds something else soon. Struck me as one of footballs good guys. Liverpool may rue that decision.
To be fair Eastney I'm not bothered if he stays or goes really as I'm not interested in who manages anyone other than my own club (Westley and Evans the exception as I can't stick them). It's the manner in which things are done now where the media haunt people until they get their scalp and how some sets of supporters live so far in the past they can't even see the here and now. Money is the god and Liverpool aren't in it. Great club but sorry their story is done for years to come unless Mr Super Rich comes in and spends his cash.
Well, it has been coming.. no matter the result today he was gone.. Next up Sherwood or Mourino!! The press will hound them now.. Liverpool do have the history but they are has beens.. Rogers is a good man but he has spent and not wisely... He will get a job somewhere soon no doubt.. They are a mid table club as will chelsea be soon.. hope fully. they all will fall in time. The Prem is not the best league any more. Not many players in that league who would get in the Barca or Real team.. who cares as long as we don't end up there.. it would be nice but rather stay in the champion ship as its a long way down. Ted rodgers will be next for them!! 321
In the three years that Rogers has been there he has been given £millions to spend by Fenway Sports Group...who are not exactly penniless....so it isn't because he hasn't been given the money.....managing Swansea and managing Liverpool are so different.....bigger names have tried and failed to win the Premiership....1989/90 was the last time.....although they have somehow won the Champions League and the FA Cup since then.
I think you're wrong and Rodgers was NOT given millions to spend. If I have this right the buys were done by a panel and not the manager. I'm not sure he had any say whatsoever which if true would be his own fault for agreeing to that in the first place. Being not exactly penniless is not the same as the other big clubs and what they have to spend. Rich yes but in premiership terms not rich enough.
Ok sensible... maybe I've been a little harsh.....but in three years he did spend £291 million.....his biggest problem was replacing goal machine.... Dracula man...Luis Suarez....it never happened.....his best buys where.....Daniel Sturridge £12m...(when fit).....Philippe Coutinho £8.5m.....and more recently Joe Gomez from Charlton for £3.5m......where did the Suarez £millions go.....did Fenway Sports Group pocket it all or used it on there USA sports holdings. He didn't do too well buying Fabio Borini from Roma for £10m...Lazar Markovic from Benfica for £20m and Mario Balotelli from AC Milan for £16m....that looked a desperate buy at the time before the window closed.....what a disaster he was.
I have some sympathy with Rodgers: it's not his fault that 2 of the best players in the country, Suarez and Sterling, left, Gerrard retired and Sturridge has had a long term injury. It's not easy to replace that sort of talent in the short term. Sensible is right, I think the deals there are done at a corporate level. I saw a manager quoted in the press, and I can't remember which one, saying that of a handful or more of players who'd arrrived at his club during the summer, he knew not a single one. How is that supposed to work?
That's exactly the point which plym has missed again. The Manager was NOT given money to spend and he did not spend anything. He had to work with other people's choices not his own but took the fall for their poor dealings. I cannot see how somebody else picking players for you can work and, this is his own fault, how any manager worth his salt can agree to it. It's just not the way football has ever worked successfully. Suarez left because of Suarez and he was on borrowed time in this Country. Marked man and unbuyable by any other club. Gerrard's time was up and you can't blame a manager for the age of one of the players. Sterling is a greedy little ********** and was always going for the money. Rodgers didn't injure Sturidge. I hear today that whoever the new man is then they will have to agree to work with the "panel". It has just failed miserably once so you would think these intelligent people would get the message wouldn't you. It doesn't bleddy work. There are not that many out there who would fancy that restriction so I think Liverpool might struggle.
I have just read an article by Mark Lawrenson which changes what I've believed so far. The bit about a panel making decisions is right it seems but what I didn't know was that Rodgers was actually part of that panel. Whilst he may not have had total control over the who and when he at least had some imput so must take part of the blame I guess. None of us know what went on at these panel meetings of course but I doubt he sat there silent. I stand by my comments about the 4 players not being down to him exactly though.
I feel more concerned about our chances of keeping Derek Adams very long.....he has already proved that he can work miracles north of the border....taking a little literally unknown club to finish top five in the Scottish Premiership in quick time....Ross County, and win the Cup as well. I find the thought depressing waiting for a Championship club down on their luck to come calling for him.....there isn't any out of the "window" time for poaching managers from smaller clubs.....Sheridan started with a three year contract....Adams has only a two year deal. You wonder if a few defeats and a strong finish to the season to gain promotion might be better for PAFC to help them keep Adams until May. His attitude seems so positive....only talking of the good things....not complaining about the players to the media ever....completely blowing away the storm clouds from his attitudes.....so refreshing (take note Mr Sheridan) to find......can the management at PAFC especially James Brent live up to his expectations....not him live up to their expectations. So easy on the ear when interviewed by the media....something that we have not been used to for years. He talks not only of building a good football team...but all the rest of the support systems a club needs to move forward as a successful unit...with new found confidence to overcome all problems that could hold them back from success.....it scares me to death that he will not get the support he needs because of the austerity approach that Brent has taken on to make PAFC debt free.....can Adams wait that long.....he is heading for the top.....but will it be with Argyle for long.
Steady on plym that's a bit depressing even for a Monday in the rain. You can never say never for any manager unless you were talking of Ferguson not leaving MU under his own steam. I have lost all confidence in any expressions of love for from them and even from the clubs themselves. Carrots dangled are always a possibility and if offerred more money and a better prospect then who can blame anyone for grabbing it. They know that if the boot was on the other foot the club would have no hesitation in getting rid if they wanted to. No loyalty either way so it evens itself out. However, I don't think he will be going anywhere certainly this season. Promotion would see hims stay I think as there is nothing better than to climb the food chain from the bottom for anyone. If we nearly make it then anything is possible. No manager has love for a club like a supporter and we shouldn't expect them to have either. So, I just don't think he will go because I simply don't want him to along with everyone else. Blinkers are required...
He certainly looks like a top-man. Not just the results but moving to the area, positive statements in the press about the city generally, the collar and tie thing on match days, going out on to the pitch during the warm-up, attending fan meetings; he's a PR manager's dream. I suspect he's not going to take any old offer that comes along. If he can get us promoted and then do well in League 1, he'll start to register on the radar at bigger Championship and smaller Premier League clubs. That will be the minimum he will (and indeed should) aspire to. I think he'll bide his time but in the end, we will lose him.
Yep, agree with that . he certainly has brightened the place up.. I was unsure when we got him.. But what a get he may prove tp be. very popular already. As for Liverpool it looks like a deal with Flop from Dortmund was already sealed some are saying.. would not surprise me.. He won't last if the panel control the players who come and go.. They are now history.. that is what they live on in Scouse land..
I've just been looking up the number of managers who have lost their jobs since this season began. It's only 10 games in and we are already at double figures. Basically we are talking 10% of managers there in the league. I guess it's no wonder there is no loyalty shown by managers because owners make it a very precarious job. Given the "advanced talks" being quoted regarding the Liverpool job I think you must be right Joe. They were lining up the next poor sod before they emptied the seat.
I watched the Everton v Liverpool game on Sunday (sorry Sensible, I have the Devil's toy they call Sky Sports...). In case you haven't noticed, Liverpool have a French centre-back called Sakho, signed from PSG. To be fair, he is a very big unit and by some miracle has managed to collect 26 French international caps. However, if you saw him play in League 2 you'd think "cumbersome" and "clumsy" let alone the Premier League. Peter Hartley has significantly better ball skills and Sakho makes Curtis Nelson look like Franz Beckenbauer by comparison. How does a club that once had Alan Hansen and Mark Lawrenson as its centre back pairing sign a player like Sakho? What ever the method, committees, directors of football, agent inspired deals, it doesn't work!
If you watched the game notdistant then here is a serious question which I don't actually know the answer to myself. I don't take very much notice of premiership football day to day. How many of the players on show in the match were Scousers? Given this is known as a Merseyside Derby my guess would be one at most or possibly none at all. If a player has that many caps at international level for a top(ish) nation then you could be forgiven for thinking he was a reasonable class. However, in the good old days one of the boot room would have watched him a load of times and their judgement would have been accepted. With a "panel" making decisions I can't see how that would work. Two like the idea and one doesn't care one way or the other and the other one dislikes. How does that work? He may not have been Rodgers choice but he gets left with him because somebody else did the deed. I've said above that I cannot see very many people in football at manager level being comfortable with not picking their own targets. It is Rodgers own fault for accepting it and not having the bottle to tell them either that changed or he would be off. Apart from his multi million pound contract of course. You have to conclude he sold his soul for a pound. Now whilst I think he was a fall guy for a not so good team he didn't actually create himself and the fact that Liverpool expectations are way too high for their actual ability to deliver I lose sympathy that he went along with it.
Jurgen Klopp has said he will go along with a panel if......he has the last say.......Is this panel idea an american idea ?
Of the 18 man Liverpool match squad, 7 were British (in a loose sense including the ROI where applicable): Clyne, Milner, Sturridge amd Ings started, which isn't bad by Premier League standards and Lallana, Allen and Ibe and Rossiter on the bench, with the first two of those coming on with c. 15 mins to play. Everton are much stronger in terms of their British contingent. Browning, Jagielka, Galloway, McCarthy, Barry, Barkley and Naismith all started and Gibson, Lennon, Osman and Holgate were on the bench. That's pretty astounding when you consider that Stones, Coleman and Baines would have been first picks had they been available. The point was made in the commentary that Liverpool had only one Scouser in their match squad, Rossiter, who's just a lad. Maybe that contributes to a lack of spirit and commitement compared to Liverpool teams of old but actually both sides compared very well with just two British starters (Hart and Sterling) in the entire 22 for the Manchester City v Newcastle game on Saturday. I'd point at the number of non-British players being the real problem in the English game, not necessarily the lack of players born within a goal-kick distance of the ground. A lot of those foreign deals seem to be agent led with the player marketed by the agent rather than being scouted by the club, if you see what I mean. Do you remember some years back that an African player (I think) did very well at a World Cup. Shortly afterwards, an agent approached an British club (can't remember which) and the club was excited to sign a Wold Cup star. It turned out that they signed not the star but the star's brother, who'd made his reputation in the African equivalent of the Plymouth and District League. With that sort of nonsense going on, it's no wonder we end up with some many dud overseas players in England.
