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Relegation Thoughts

Discussion in 'Watford' started by oldfrenchhorn, Jul 26, 2020.

  1. Markthehorn

    Markthehorn Well-Known Member

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    And the other 2 loan players are attracting in Spain from La Liga clubs .
     
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  2. yorkshirehornet

    yorkshirehornet Well-Known Member

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    A relegated club is not a go to club for rising stars eh....................
     
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    Yes exactly.

    They will want to join other La Liga clubs.
     
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    J T Bodbo Well-Known Member

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    Given the well-known characteristic of the football industry to relieve otherwise rational business people of shed-loads of money, I don't think it is blindingly obvious at all. It is blindingly obvious that any rational businessman/men would NOT seek to make substantial profits from a business, when those profits are determined by, amongst other things, random refereeing decisions, random uncorrected mistakes from errors of technology and so on. In fact, about the only way that people have made money from football, as far as I recall, is by disposal of the land - which has nothing to do with the carrying on of the main business, namely football. It's called asset-stripping.

    Given that the Pozzo's have owned Udinese since 1986, then they are either
    a) very patient in their attempts to make money from football or ...
    b) very bad at making money from their football enterprise or ...
    c) not in the business of football ownership principally to make money

    It seems blindingly obvious therefore that the answer to my question to you is 'yes'. And the question was only posed after due consideration of your many posts in which money, or the pursuit of it appeared to be the dominant thread even in subjects where money, or its pursuit was not the original theme.. But I thought it only fair, courteous even, to ask, rather than make the assumption, however evident from your posts. Nevertheless, I am grateful that you have confirmed (even if indirectly) what your posts have indicated.
     
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    What a strange fellow you are.

    It is clear the clique's chosen ones need to dominate all of these threads, stifling any and all alternative views.

    I really do not see the point of any further contributions.

    Goodbye. :emoticon-0148-yes:
     
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  6. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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  7. yorkshirehornet

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    Another good analysis from the sportswriter.... and YES the Pozzos made mistakes bringing players in..

    Interesting discussion of NP teamsset -ups which saw TD alone up front and exposed in his limitations... with a transformation to the attack for the Arsenal game...
     
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  8. yorkshirehornet

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    Tremendous recriminations going about on social media... a number of players being scapegoated.

    In the main it is not their fault... they were signed by the club, slelceted to play by the coach, and given team orders...

    So it is daft to say that Dawson was no good, when he had a bad perfomance or TD is past it when he had a bad knee and was continually playes as a lone striker, or Holebas was useless etc etc etc

    My anti-rant rant!!
     
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  9. Luther

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    Simon Burnton, who wrote the article in the Guardian, has been a Watford supporter for many years so I am not sure that it is accurate to describe him as an outsider.
     
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    We need to be doing business quickly in terms of new manager and any new players coming in. It is imperative that we get in some sort of pre season this time around so that any new manager has time to look at the squad, and that any new players have the benefit of a pre season with the team. We are only 6 weeks away from the start of the new season - coincidentally we start at the same time as the Dutch Eredivisie, and some of them are playing friendly matches already (Ajax play their first next saturday). 6 weeks is not enough time for a major clearout and the transformation we all hope for so there is a realistic chance that we will be starting the season with most of the squad who finished the last season - if there is no change of mindset we may find ourselves relegation candidates within the first few weeks <doh> This time I want to hit the field running - in contrast to last season, and the way we came back from the Corona break, otherwise we will be chasing the game up until Christmas. The short break worries me for many reasons - we need to completely bury our end of season form, but I fear that the break is too short.
     
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  12. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Agree with that cologne, and just who this new manager will be is not filling me with a great deal of confidence. I have just looked up the Wiki page on Luca Gotti and his record over the years has not been very inspiring and it states that he doesn't want a permanent deal at Udinese. That probably will not be a problem.
     
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  13. Flittonhorn

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    Best way to describe things is we are in a mess from the management, down through the playing staff. How anyone is supposed to come in and in such a short timescale and model a team for the Championship when we do not know how many players will be leaving come the transfer window closure in October is ludicrous. Under normal close season conditions it would be hard enough, but this year, there really was not a worse year to be relegated. How we can possibly be looking for someone without Championship experience to coach us is almost ridiculous.
     
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  14. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    "I think the most important thing is getting someone who understands the community spirit of the club, understands what it means to the fans and how important it is to play the right style of football. A manager who can come in, knows the Championship and a manager who can play the right attacking style of football and someone who can galvanise the club." Sky Sports News reporter Mark McAdam

    No not written about Watford but Bournemouth. It seems that both clubs would like the same man, but where is he. How many have been successful in the Championship who are looking for a job?
     
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    Chris Houghton?

    Trouble is who will come knowing they will having to look over their shoulders from day one !
     
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  16. Bolton's Boots

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    Whilst I don't disagree, I'd like to think that your point about about not knowing who could be leaving is currently being addressed through contract renewals. Any one refusing could safely be assumed to be leaving, anyone agreeing could be assumed to be happy to stay - and the former could be informing what's needed in terms of transfers in.
     
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    Eddie Howe?
     
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  18. Flittonhorn

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    But at the end of the day, a player can say yes or no to a particular transfer and then if a different club comes in later in the window, the player could then say yes to that transfer. This results in the club not clearly being able to plan confidently on players staying or moving. I agree the club probably has a list of players it thinks most likely or would like to move on ( because of wages), but then may have to allow other players to leave if those on the list do not go. Complicated.
     
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  19. Flittonhorn

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    May as well put them onto weekly paid.
     
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  20. Bolton's Boots

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    Granted - but the club do have the upper hand if a contract is in place. They can simply say no to a transfer, and make sure the players in question understand that. If they don't, then no contract - or an agreement to let them go during the next transfer window.
     
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