Have to say,**** game **** Ref and a naive performance from Swansea today, example of how stupid things got was watching Lita have to mark Cris samba for a corner, the same cris samba that was destroying us from set pieces!! If the swans cant get something against a team as poor as Blackburn then we can forget staying up, im not intrested in hearing about how pleasing it is to be in the prem , how amazing it is just to be here,look how far we ve come that is complete tosh and talk of losers not winners!! we are here,we earned the right so lets get into teams and compete !! Gary monk had his comeupence today,like watching an old man running after a bus when he let Yakubo run past him for the first!! The second,was a complete fluke. The third was a lack of man marking from set piece.not for the first time. The Fourth a blatant foul by taylor, why he did that when we just went down to 10 players ive no idea, stupid and naive to say the least!! Our goals showed how terrible Balckburn are at the back yet we still felt the need to play football 30m out from their penalty area!! every time we got more direct we got behind and created!! Sinclair looks like he is never going to score,that was the main supply of goals in the championship, so i ll leave it to you guys to work out where the goals are going to come from if they arnt coming from him!! Fed up of watching a team that is being undone by its own lack of quality in the final 3rd, its nothing against what we have on the pitch,those boys are Lions(just not quite good enough) and doing their best,more to do with what we havent got, Wolves was a 6 pointer with points dropped,this was even worse,they were there for the taking and we just strolled around and pinged the ball in the middle of the park !! I said earlier that Blackburn will not be easy,and was suprised to see alot of jacks think opposite,well 4-2 to the bottom team who couldnt even buy a win before they played us tells me alot about our chances January is critical, now something else comes into play,do we throw money away and gamble or should we just accept that we are not good enough for this league and save the pennies to rebuild in the championship, looking at our team today we lookked a long way off Premier league. Please consider and understand the one eyed dissapointed views made are out of shear frustration, i will probably be more balanced and less angry tomorrow, but we looked out of our depth against the bottom team.
Norway, I completely agree with you. We have a great squad and we play great football. But our shear lack of creativity in front of goal looks like it may cost us at the end of the season. We have a great striker in Danny Graham, injured at the moment of course, and there's talk of another being brought in, why? The problem is midfield. Sinclair and Dyer are great players, but I find SInclair to be very greedy. He can't buy a goal, so pass the bloody ball. Dyer beats players with ease, but never find the final pass. Allen has been immense, I have no issue with him as has Britton, can't fault these two. I think we need a creative midfield player.......Oh wait, we have one......DOBBIE. GET HIM ON THE FIELD. No dis-respect to Mark Gower as I do rate him, but I can't see BR dropping any of the other, but brings Dobbs on for Mark and play the following line-up: Vorm Caulker (Rangel) Monk? Williams Taylor Dyer Britton Allen Sinclair Dobbie Graham!!
Fair comments there Ash, ive always thought Luke Moore can operate on this level and beleive he can be good for us given a chance (i know some just dont rate him at all,fair enough) but as you say the striker issue isnt the most pressing id you think about it, given the chances DG ,Lita and now Moore have hit the net i saw a stat that read we had 4 chances to their 12 (not sure what time in the game that was ) well we had a scoring rate of 1 scored in four chances which is good enough ,we just arnt getting enough of them to hurt teams!! Dyer for all his skills is giving zero end product, and he has been like that for weeks now, final ball non existant taking on the full back and driving into the area non existant also, at least sinclair gets shots on, in fact if you take out sinclairs shots at goal i think we had about 4 from other players (2 of them goals!!) Joe Allen looks Prem class, and a few others but we are looking more ponderous as the season wears on, as you say ash, something more creative in the midfield is needed im not its dobbie but something is needed. very dissapointed by the team today ;(
I did say that Blackburn play some good football, shame we switched off at the back, schoolboy errors, not covering the back post, the second yellow on Joe Allen was so soft, poor refereeing decision, but at the end of the day, another game where we have shot ourselves in the foot, who was marking Yakubu!!!........... I will repeat what I've said before, losing Borini, will cost us this season, Yakubu was the difference today, Blackburn have enough quality in their team to stay up in my view, and like I've said before they're position in the table is deceiving, still I thought we could have got a result, but then we have never been any good against teams at the bottom! As for old man Monk, say no more.............. please log in to view this image
My vocal chords hurt everytime I watch the Swans. If I had a £1 for every time I'v shouted at Dyer or Sinclair to pass when DG or Lita has been in a better position and they havn't, I'd be a millionaire. Dyer is immense at getting forwards, but when he gets into the danger zone, he panicks and passes the ball backwards again. He needs to learn to either pass or get to the edge of the box and sqaare it. Sinclair, he just frustrates me. SHoot, shoot, shoot. He hits tem time after time from outside the box and it fails. He isn't Wayne Rooney! I'm one VERY frustrated fan today!
DPJ- Agree, but teams that are at the bottom are our Rivals this time around, we are neither good enough to beat the top teams or the bottom teams right now so that doesnt leave many options for wins does it ?? Borini i agree with, but our Strikers are doing what is asked they just arnt getting the ball quick enough!! we have so much pass but we kill momentum by running up the field then working it back !! its getting painful to watch and have Borini in the side wouldnt help that much if Dyer cant get him the ball!! I really do think we are in a false position and major input of quality signings is needed, but as i said yesterday Brenden has changed his qoute from asking for 4-6 players to asking for/looking at about 2 "realistically" well i think he was right the first time but he obviously has been told he aint getting that!! Ive maintained for the last few months that we are a few players away from being decent at this level, ive not changed that view but i am wondering if the board has the bollocks to back the manager in January with what he wants. Relegation will mean the end of this team, make no mistake of that, it might even mean the end of our manager when he sees up to 7 players leave , right now if Liverpool want Dyer for £7m quid they can have him ,we can use that money to get more options in the team, something needs to be done because what we have is not quite enough to maintain prem status IMO. January will see the clubs true colours, i wouldnt blame them for not spending anything,but at the same time ,if they dont and we go down it will signal the exodus that will take years for us to turn around, and i garentee you that the plastic support will be gone quicker than you can say Prawn sandwich!! so we will be managing one of the lowest playing budgets in the championship with a half empty stadium watching new players who may or may not be up to it and we will be wondering where it went wrong, in which case i will tell them Blackburn away 03/12/2011
I dont get why we have Leon and Gower in the same starting line up to be honest. They both do the same job. I would rather drop one of them in the centre of midfield and put a more attacking minded player in, Dobbie or Moore would be ideal. Gutted about the result, but I still feel we are learning our trade in the premiership and theres time to improve
"they were there for the taking and we just strolled around and pinged the ball in the middle of the park !!" That's a tactic you've used a lot and it goes down in the stats as 'controlling the game' because you have lots of possession. It's Ok when in front, or when you are trying to stop getting beaten, but has its limitations. It's easy to look good passing the ball around on the half way line.
Just thought I'd log in to check the inevitable doom, gloom and knee-jerk reactions. Yes, it's all here just as expected.
I admire you balanced views CRC, but to be still learning after 14 games must mean we have the thickest playing staff in prem history!! sorry to be flipant, but im really disapointed today, searching for positives is all well and good and probably the right thing but i really think there maybe too much of it going on, against Villa we were poor but most fans seemed to think it was the villa team from the late 70s early 80 s we were playing and a point was good!! they wernt all that regardless of what some fans thought yet we were toothless for the whole 90mins, i know the gary speed thing played a massive part but it still should have been a battling gutsy performance there were plenty from villa willing to get in our faces and affect the game.It didnt stop them looking for 3 pts did it ? Blackburn away is a turning point in our season,we need to start turning posession into points,to make changes and line up re-inforcements for January (all 2 of them) what was on the field against Blackburn is not good enough for this league- simples
I was thinking today about how well Routlage did. Should start the next game after his performance in second half. Gower is playing quite well at the moment, and his ball for Litas goal was quite good...i just dont think Lita is great as the loan striker, but can nick the odd goal. Glad to see Moore on and grab a goal. Good on him, would be nice to see him get a chance. would also like to see Dobbie play. Sinclair looked ok for us today, good running and creative play, just didn't go his way. Taylor was so so, as was Richards tbh.
"Just thought I'd log in to check the inevitable doom, gloom and knee-jerk reactions. Yes, it's all here just as expected"-aswan Well glad to see your so positive about getting a hammering from the bottom team in the division aswan !! Please explain what you think is knee jerk ? If there is any swans supporter happy about that then they must be on medication!! correct me if im wrong but do you think its a fair assement to hope for us to be compitative against the bottom team ? im not talking about expecting to win or even draw but be able to compete? It could just be a bad day at the office and doom and gloom and knee jerk reactions , but if you dont like to read about doom and gloom just dont comment on my thread, it really is that simple , to sit back from afar(like we all do in fairness) and input a comment of zero substance is just pathetic really.
I know your frustrated mate, we all are. Its just that im proud of the club in the way its conducting itself at the moment in the premiership. As a club, we are coming on leaps and bounds, but we are in the premiership. Look at the players Blackburn have got, man for man, on paper, we'd lose everytime. We are growing as a club and IMHO, even if we were to become a yo-yo club, like Wolves, west brom and Sunderland have been, how far would we of come from a few years ago? Dont panic, the Swans never do things easy I will be over the moon that on the last day of the season we finish 17th
Iggy- I must say that its a style that gets us results mostly and we couldnt change it completly if we wanted, but sometimes there seems to be a lack of urgency in our play and that id terminal for our system!! Blackburn put pressure on our midfield but thats to be expected and is what alot of sides do to combat us, my big gripe was knowing how shaky they were and how little we got at them directly from wide positions. Samba and yakubo are big strong guys but its not the first time we played against that kind of player, im just getting the feeling that some of our boys think they are the dogs bollocks (dyer) and are actually not doing what it says on the tin! As i said in my OP , it is a one eyed dissapointed view from me tonight but i make no excuse for that, i feel we should have taken something from today not got a hammering !!
Norway don't worry about aswandam, he can be quite the little tart!.................. please log in to view this image Our front line are all playing individually, all looking for the glory goal, instead of playing selflessly for the team, and the most selfish is Sinclair, Lita comes next, our wingers and strikers need to be less selfish, does it matter who scores as long as we win, so many chances go begging, because of this, and I've lost count how many times this season, Sinclair has hit the side netting, we need to have far better connectivity from our front line and wingers!.................. please log in to view this image
CRC- You are probably 100% correct in fairness, my worry is relegation will bring the end of this team and there is no way we are going to replace them with equal quality ,some of these players have been coached to play this way for years and they us cost peanuts (Ash,Taylor,Allen,Rangel) we will not replace the likes of Sinclair Dyer Taylor Ash Rangel Allen Vorm Caulker(yes not ours but not likely to be if relegated) following relegation. being a yo-yo club is fine if you have the support(not plastics dissapearing when there is no prem footy) and if you are big enough to keep prem players on a decent wage in a division below, we are not though and costs are the most important thing (and we must say probaly rightly so) for us , remember that having had a taste of prem football most of these players would want to stay there,we will get money for them of course so to me we may as well twist our arm and go for staying up and growing the club on the front foot. As opposed to battling against teams with a bigger budget in the championship why not do that in the prem league instead!! relegation also negates the chance of expanding the stadia and growing the commercial side of the club,city and wales as a whole. W
I've been out all day, so I'll wait to watch the game tonight before passing judgement, but what about this: 1) It's only 3 games ago that everyone was 'proud to be a jack' etc etc after a goalless draw at Anfield. Things don't change that badly that quickly. 2) We scored twice, so surely it's our defence (which has kept the most clean sheets in the Premier League) that let in FOUR that has had a bad day at the office. 3) Remember last season when we lost to the bottom club Preston 2-1 away and there were similar outbursts, but we still finished 3rd and got promoted. Sometimes s**t happens. Of course it's a hugely disappointing result, but CALM DOWN (for the moment, anyway).
Norway mate, look at the list of players you put up, apart from vorm, the rest of players we bought when we where a championship club or lower, and we payed pennies for some of them. Im not the oldest supporter of the club, but it seems that players come and go (and alot of them regret it). It may be the brandy talking, but Im enjoying this season in the premiership, this is what weve strived for and dont be suprised that we get a few tankings along the way. We are building as a club, and if we have to take 2 steps back to move 3 forward, so be it. Lets get the acadamy up and running and build our training facilitys and progress frugally .
Blackburn are not the worst team in the League & won't be relegated . My biggest problem today is any scout who seen the game will instruct there teams to hit long balls into the box . Unless we can deal quickly with that ..... were in trouble . Graham coming back will help & Jazz getting minutes will eventually help . Defense is the problem that needs to be addressed in January , not offense IMO .
Norway, I think you summarized the key points of the match quite nicely. Monk lost Yakubu on the give and go, not by a little but by a lot, which allows him to plant the ball into the roof of the net unchallenged. We pulled back on a good cross and beautiful finish by Lita - amazing what can happen when you cross the ball. Absolutely jammy goal for Rover's second - Yakubu just coudn't get out of the way of a wayward shot. The third saw Taylor being assigned to Yakubu on the corner. (Why Vorm let the long ball through to bounce up and put him on his back foot instead of coming forward and catching it is anybodies guess.) Jazz was actually lied up with Samba at the far post on the kick. Ash was back there somewhere too, and Monk was on the edge of the six yard box, center of goal, marking space cause no Rover's player was anywhere near him. Why we had our shorter less experienced defender Taylor watching Yakubu on that corner is another one to figure out. We don't show a lot of creativity going forward, we just don't. We just seem to run out of ideas and too often the simple obvious pass forward or cross is not made. (easy to call watching tv i admit). We don't cross the ball often enough to attempt to create work and put pressure on the keeper and defenders. Lita did ok. Two games started, two goals scored.
