I know this is nothing to do with football but it's a real sore point that I have to get off my chest because it's making my blood boil. If there are any public servants on here can they please explain to me why I have to pay for their pensions ?? Everyone else has to put money aside for retirement but the public servants just sit back in their comfotable jobs, maybe walk around with a bit of paper or organise office parties, then retire and live off the contributions that we in the private sector have paid in our taxes. I hope the government stop this ridiculous waste of public money and make them fend for themselves the same as the rest of us.
Mostly a bunch of social parasites who need learn to work for a living. The problem is they're in a position to make there blackmailing threats work and they're not going to **** in their own nests, are they.
I'm not a public servant, but from what I know, they contribute a far higher percentage of their wages towards their pensions in comparison to those in the private sector. This has in the past resulted in a massive pot of money which is in effect in government hands, but due to our ageing population, the government now think that the current system is unsustainable. For that reason they are wanting puplic sector workers to increase their contributions to an even higher level and also to work on past 65. Both the government and the public sector have valid arguments, but this subsidising mullarky is a bit of a red-herring put out by the government to get people such as yourself on their side.
I'm not a public servant now but I do know how the PCSPS works. From inception it was non contributory final salary. Anyone joining the Civil Service was able to join the scheme. That is no different to any other job. You decide if you want to work for the employer based on the terms and conditions offered. After you join if the employer attempts to change these terms and conditions in a negative way I think you have every right to be upset . Imagine you pay for a season ticket and then when the season starts the club change the terms and conditions you find you have to pay extra for premium games, principal is the same. What is different about the PSCS is that in every annual percentage wage increase since at least 1970 when I joined a percentage of the rise was reduced in lieu of the non contributory nature of the pension. In real terms public servant do pay for their pension by taking a reduced wage increase over the years and for many years they were subject to lower than average wage rises especially during the "boom years" Is it just the pensions you don't like - you don't mind paying their salaries? Her's something worse I think. Every taxpayer has made an involuntary financial contribution to Northern Crock. As a Sunderland supporter how do you feel that part or your investment has been used to sponsor Newcastle United ? At least public servants provide us all with a service
Worked in both sectors and paid about the same in pension contributions in both. I think the civil servants scheme is different to the local government one though, and NHS and police are all slightly different, there isn't one public servants pension.
I'm not a supporter of the Tory party and would never dream of voting for them (unless I was having a nightmare) but agree with them on this one. Why shouldn't their retirement age be brought up to 65 in line with every one else. Do they work harder than anyone in the steel industry or shipbuilding to name but two.
I understand that they pay a higher percentage of their wage in contributions, but the state also pays into their pension pot. If the government turned around now and said " there you go, take all of the money that YOU have contributed and invest it into a private pension, I think that would be fair, but the public servants want their cake and eat it I'm afraid. Bring on the strikes, maybe with a bit of luck they'll prevent me from having to go to work to pay for their final salary pensions.
If this thread was about the rich bankers who bankrupted the country, were bailed out, and still pay themselves millions in bonuses, I would have more sympathy. I've never worked in any public job, but don't begrudge someone who's worked all their lives getting a decent pension. Perspective needed methinks.
I've got no quarms whatsoever about public sector pensions, as has already been pointed out, they have on the whole been paid less than similar roles in the private sector. However, I do feel aggrieved that my taxes are propping up these rich bankers, who incidently are the very same people who have got the whole capitalist world in this current financial crisis. And in particular, I'm very unhappy that some of my taxes are being creamed off by NUFC who are still receiving sponsorship from Northern Rock.
My girl has worked for the civil service for 33 years. Solid. Has paid into her pension 90% of that time. She earns £14k a year putting up with ever rising workloads and aggressive customers. DO NOT get me started on this, or the evil, nasty TORIES. What we need is caring rule, not the arrogant nasty condecending i'm all right jack tripe of the conservative. F*****G string all the mealy-mouthed tw**s up. Suprised at meself for remembering not to swear. Thay are cu***. Anyway. This is supposed to be a FOOTBALL forum, so f**k off.
I'm not a public servant, but before you follow the tory line and label them as parasites and comparing them to the private sector just rememebr who we are talking about. Doctors to Nurses, Waste refuse handlers to sewage farm workers who have seen a decline in their take home pay whilst the private sector have had pay rises. Their pay is below what would be earned in the private sector and as such the pension re-muneration and contribution reflects this fact. No bonuses for public sector workers, no share save schemes, limited promotion opportunities and public scorn.
I read a lot on this forum and never post, however this diatribe has made my blood boil. Firstly it is a football forum so if u want to talk politics Blind Corner **** off to another sight. Secondly I am a public servant and I work for the MOD. Having served in the Army for nearly 23 years I was fortunate to find a job working in the public sector within the MOD. I work long hours (my choice) to fulfil an important role that saves the public purse millions of pounds per year. The money isn’t great in comparison to my equivalent in the Army (£15,000) less. I contribute to my pension and i don’t have a final salary. The problems with **** wits like your good self is that you don’t really have a ****ing clue what you are talking about. Get a life or a real job and stop sprouting bollocks. PRICK.
bloody love it when people launch into an argument when they know **** all about it. the pension issue for the public sector is a tricky one, and far be it for me (or anyone on here) to claim they have all the answers, if we did we'd be the best economic mind the world has ever seen. however, before labelling public sector workers "parasites", consider the following - pay is generally lower in the public sector. you may read about the occasional union big dog on a fat salary, but by and large, we are talking about nurses, teachers, the guys who pick your rubbish up, and they do not get paid as much as those in the private sector. you also may have noticed that, (supposedly) because of the recession (thanks a lot, private sector bankers), the tories are slashing funding to the public sector. all these people you are labelling parasites because a decent pension was one of a few things their job had going for them, are facing at worst being laid-off en masse, and at best, pay freezes for the next three years while inflation skyrockets. if you work in the private sector, your hard work benefits your company and you (in theory) should see a return on that. you can be the world's greatest nurse/teacher/fireman, and be fired tomorrow because the bankers decided to gamble with money they didn't have. one other thing to consider ( i could go on all night but i won't), lots of you are questioning why public sector workers don't just look after their own pensions like the rest of us, either looking at pension schemes, saving in a bank or keeping cash in a draw under the bed. lots of public sector workers have a proportion of their pay forcibly taken, to contribute to their pensions. for some public sector workers, the way boy george has set things out, they have paid a great deal of money in, through no choice of their own, and now he's going to stop them getting all of it back, because he needs (well, wants, but whatever) to plug the gap left by his pals in the banking sector. now do you see why they are a bit miffed? also, for lots of public sector workers, retirement age will now be at least 65, so get your facts straight.
having read both arguments put forward, digested thought and decided to comment, lets stick to football or post themes like this on the mags board, precious Little ****ers wont have a clue and would cause word war three.
