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Discussion in 'Stoke City' started by rotterthepotter, Feb 23, 2013.

  1. ricc full

    ricc full Well-Known Member

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    Shawcross is the worst for holding in the premiership by some distance in my opinion
     
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  2. Smithers

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    Everyone will have a different opinion on players, but for me Adam should stay and there would be an argument for Walters to remain as a bench player. Not sure on both Ethrington and Kighty going, especially as Brek is unproven as of yet. The problem with our squad now is several players are getting older and as I have always argued our resale value is embarassing.
     
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    Valid point mate. However if TP stays it doesnt matter who goes, who stays or who we buy - the results will be the same.
     
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  4. jowlermonkey

    jowlermonkey Well-Known Member

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    To be fair to the players we don't know what they can do as we have only seen them under the TP regime, under a normal manager they may be able to do more.
     
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    jowlermonkey Well-Known Member

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    If we don't get more points you just might get your wish.
     
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  6. jowlermonkey

    jowlermonkey Well-Known Member

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    The question is would Pulis jump ship to save his precious never been relegated record.
     
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    Pottermouth 328 Well-Known Member

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    Not if I could push him first! PULIS is the problem not Adam, Jones, etc Co.
     
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  8. jowlermonkey

    jowlermonkey Well-Known Member

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    Potts,

    All the players that come to us can play some form of football otherwise other teams would not have signed them. Pulis is the common denominator.
     
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  9. Sandor Clegane

    Sandor Clegane 'The Hound'
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    I agree on half of them, and think half should stay, but should be subs, or at least be starting far less regularly than they do.
    Crouch is a difficult one, he's one of the best we've got, but just isn't effective enough in our setup.
    Etherington still shows flashes of how good he was, and I thin k he could still do the job, but he needs support, he either ends up having to hold it up in front of the opposition RB, and nearly always loses the ball, or when he does beat his man, there's no one to put the ball in to!
    Owen, I'd like to stay, and be getting more game time, but I haven't seen enough of him to know if he's still got it.
    Whitehead, still useful coming on in the last 10 minutes, until we get someone better to replace him.
    Wilko, useful backup/ sub.
    Walters- another one I think should be on the bench, although he is a good player when he's not been told to come so deep he's a defensive mid/ wing back.
    Kightly- Unsure, started well, **** ever since.

    Shotton, Whelan, Palacios, Delap, Mama, Upson and maybe Kightly should all go.


    Given some of our performances this season, (about 3 games) I don't think this is true.
    Pulis WILL NOT change the way we play, cause he knows he can grind out 40-45 points by playing the same old way, whereas at the start of the season, we changed it up a bit, played well for a few games, but lost them. That was too risky for TP to keep it up, so back to hoofball we go.
     
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  10. nickyb

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    OK Sandor, I agree - WILL NOT is the correct definition.

    Perhaps I am too biased to give an objective opinion, but I have disliked, his public persona (away from football he may well be a great guy) and I dislike his football, this from day 1.

    In a combined total of 100 years as manager, I would say that there has been a maximum of 3 outstanding matches per season.

    Tell you what though, one win all year and still in 10th place, doesn't say much for the other lot.
    As said elsewhere, thank goodness for the other rubbish teams.
     
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    Sandor,

    Kightly- unsure, started well, **** ever since.

    Your going to have to come off the fence with this one mate!!
     
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  12. nickyb

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    Ooops 10 years tenure just seems like 100!!
     
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  13. jowlermonkey

    jowlermonkey Well-Known Member

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    That's all right Nick, I thought you were being optimistic with the three outstanding matches a season!!
     
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  14. Smithers

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    For me the CM's are Adam, Nzonzi, Wilson and Palcious (I know he hasnt shown much to date but he has whown quality in the past).

    The fullbacks are a real issue and more worringly so are the wing positions. Ethrington (Bang out of form, too many niggles and getting old), Pennant (probably will never play again), Kightly (bad buy IMO), Brek (unproven) and Walters (Not good enough, not fast enough and couldnt cross his T's never mind the ball).

    For an "established" prem team having spent what we have, these are very serious issues.
     
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  15. ProudPotter

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    As you say Nick it's amazing to think that we are still 10th despite the very poor form since Boxing Day, it's been relegation form. Just think where we could (nay, should) have been now if the alarming dip in form and results had not occurred. What has happened since Liverpool at the Brit?
     
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  16. Sandor Clegane

    Sandor Clegane 'The Hound'
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    This one always confuses me. I know we're not likely to know what's going on in TP's head, but WHY is Pennant either not playing or still here? Pulis has shown in the past, if you've pissed him off, your out the door, seemingly regardless off price or anything, so if he's not going to play JP, why wasn't he shipped out to the first bidder, surely someone must have been interested?
     
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  17. nickyb

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    Sandor, I've long given up trying to second guess pulis.
    He is a sickening example oh forget it, what's the point.

    One thing I do know is that the Coates/Pulis partnership has got nothing to do with football nor long suffering faithfull
     
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  18. jowlermonkey

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    Agreed Nicky, it's got nothing to do with football.
     
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