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Discussion in 'Southampton' started by ChilcoSaint, Feb 23, 2016.

  1. Ian Thumwood

    Ian Thumwood Well-Known Member

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    I think that is a sensible decision.

    Politicians getting involved in football always backfires. The decision last night has saved Starmer a banana skin.
     
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  2. Libby

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    With the extra publicity I can see this being a disaster now anyway to be honest.

    Pro Palestinian groups planning a protest outside the ground. Yaxley Lennon wants to go the game in a Maccabi shirt which will bring more protesters on both sides.

    Probably have some conflict between Villa fans too as I'm sure some will end up wanting to show support for either side.
     
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  3. It'sOnlyAGame

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    Labour, after having their arms twisted into holding a national inquiry into rape gangs are now trying to change the remit.
    This was the inquiry that Jess Phillips, Kier Starmer and at least three posters on here said was unnecessary.
    After Baroness Casey's audit, Starmer was forced to relent and announced in June that a national inquiry would now take place.
    4 months later the chair of this inquiry has still to be appointed. Two people being considered to lead the inquiry were a former senior social worker (now withdrawn) and a former deputy chief constable. As the social services and police are two of the groups most likely to receive close scrutiny into their behaviour, they were not seen as impartial.
    This, along with trying to change the remit to include all rape gangs rather than just the cases involved in the cover up, (as Baroness Casey's audit had recommended) has led to three of the abuse survivor representatives to resign their positions.

    Jess Phillips is a disgusting politician who is now trying to dilute the inquiry, and it would seem has been caught lying. I hope we will soon see the last of her.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwykd173l3vo

     
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  4. ImpSaint

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    It was politicians (local ones) that pressured for the initial ban in the first place!
     
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  5. It'sOnlyAGame

    It'sOnlyAGame Well-Known Member

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  6. Ian Thumwood

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    Yes, but oddily enough he was the sanest one of the lot ! Not trying to score points but raising sime genuine concerns.
     
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  7. It'sOnlyAGame

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    So, no Jews allowed in Birmingham because it might upset the locals and now no protests in Tower Hamlets because it also might upset the locals.
    But marches overwhelmingly led by muslims occurring every week where Jew hate is commonplace, doesn't get any attention from the police let alone banned.
    Effectively, parts of this country are now becoming no go areas for fear of upsetting violent religious extremists. And in turn, those violent religious extremists can do what they please. Instead of addressing where the threat of violence is coming from, the potential victims are excluded.

    When violence is threatened at migrant hotels or actually happened at Southport, the perpetrators are removed by hundreds of police in riot gear. Then quickly dealt with in the courts.
    But in Birmingham and Tower Hamlets where the likely offenders would be Muslims, there are no warnings of arrests, no statements of feeling the full force of the law. And certainly no call for the locals to stay away.

    All hell is going to break loose in this country sooner or later. No doubt the far right will be held accountable or some other Nazi, fascists, but you can be sure it won't be the violent religious extremists.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce86vym0pyzo
     
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  8. Archers Road

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    What violence has there been in Birmingham or Tower Hamlets? And have you ever been to either of those places?
     
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  9. Ian Thumwood

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    Too busy wife swapping in Chandler's Ford to visit Tower Hamlets.

    If it is on GB News though, it must be true.
     
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  10. It'sOnlyAGame

    It'sOnlyAGame Well-Known Member

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    https://removepaywalls.com/https://...el-aviv-ban-is-a-shameful-act-of-appeasement/

    We all know why the authorities in Birmingham caved in. They fear a repeat of what happened in Amsterdam, and I don’t mean a few idiotic Maccabi ultras burning some of the city’s plentiful supply of Palestine flags. They fear a ‘Jew hunt’ on our own soil. They fear that thugs will listen to that Birmingham imam, who was filmed saying Maccabi supporters should be ‘shown no mercy’. They fear – and not without cause, it must be said – that at a time when anti-Semitic incidents recently hit a 40-year high, when an Islamist whose name was literally Jihad recently went on a fatal stabbing spree at a synagogue in Manchester, that Jews might not be totally safe here.
     
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  11. ChilcoSaint

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    How often do Tottenham games get banned in Birmingham?
     
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  12. It'sOnlyAGame

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    Two things you should consider Thumwood.

    Don't ever make comments involving my wife. You're not fit to clean her shoes.

    You keep mentioning CF as where I live. If I did live there, you declaring that on a public forum could be illegal. Lucky for you I don't.
    Of course it's up to you if you want to continue with your stupidity but no one wants a criminal record do they?
     
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  13. BackFromBeyond

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    I really think the tie should go ahead. Our Government and mainstream media were hellbent on getting the fan ban reversed; but the Israelis expertly seized the narrative by banning ticket sales themselves -largely due to violent and provocative Ultras, Tel Aviv fans - like Liverpool, Chelsea, West Ham fans in the past - have been banned from attending the fixture, ruining the chance for true fans vulnerable Jewish visitors to the UK needed protection from the local Muslims and it was refused.



    Amsterdam 2024



    Amsterdam 2024

    Lyrics of the above chant, which their fansite says was first "introduced" in the 2015 season;

    "The Rape Song" :emoticon-0159-music
    You are Arab whores, we are ashamed of you
    at the end of the day. Gate 5 We will f*** you
    We will **** you, and then we will drink your blood.
    And in the city square we will hang every communist who comes here.
    We will take your girls, who love to go wild.
    When we rape them, we will shout, "Today is the day of death!"
    Today is the day of death...


    maccabipedia.co.il
    https://www.maccabipedia.co.il/שיר:שיר_האונס[/S]

    "Hapoel Tel Aviv Hezbollah!"
    Domestically, songs like "The Rape Song" aimed at their rivals Hapoel Tel Aviv, targeting them for having working-class, some Mizrahi Jewish ("children of Arab whores"), and some Arab fans. The derby was - so pertinently - cancelled just this weekend due to violent clashes. For Maccabi ultras, the Tel Aviv derby serves as a proxy for confronting Muslims and those perceived as aligned with Arab/Palestinian identity.

    maccabipedia.co.il
    https://www.maccabipedia.co.il/שיר:הפועל_תל_אביב_חיזבאללה
     
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  14. ImpSaint

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    I always thought Chandlers Ford was like a shopping centre / trading estate near Romsey :D
     
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  15. BackFromBeyond

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    He didn't say "show them no mercy" - rather, "when the Tel Aviv fans come, show them no rahma."

    Rahma is compassion, kindness, forgiveness, mercy, care and hospitality. Saying "show them no rahma" means "you're not obliged to extend courtesy" - you are free from the obligation Muslims normally have to be welcoming and generous to guests.

    "Showing no mercy" in English is a completely different phrase - it means being ruthless, pitiless, or unforgiving, often describing harsh punishment or killing without compassion.

    So these are fundamentally different:
    • Not showing rahma = withholding welcome/hospitality
    • "Showing no mercy" = actively being violent/merciless
    I've seen the imam's statement has been wildly mischaracterized. He was addressing his community facing an unusual situation; a group with a documented history of anti-Arab racism and violence coming to their city. His somewhat awkward response reflects that difficulty. He used a joking analogy about a hypothetical bet:

    If you make a bet with an "IDF guy" and you're sure your team is going to win - if you win, take his money; if you lose, don't pay him.

    The example he uses is literally a conversation - a Muslim chatting with an IDF guy about football. Not a confrontation, not violence. It's obviously not literal. The point though: he feels Muslims are not obliged in the current climate to extend the same courtesy to "IDF guys" and the anti-Muslim Maccabi supporters as they would to other visitors. No calling for violence or a "Jew hunt." The explanatory scene of the apparently incendiary "no rahma" - a Muslim welshing on footie bet to an IDF soldier is hardly dangerous rhetoric, if so then the bar has been set absurdly low!

    However using this rhetorical statement as incitement while downplaying the actual documented violence and racist chanting from legions of Maccabi fans (a selection above) is a distortion.


     
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    Excellent posts.
     
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  17. It'sOnlyAGame

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    I've read a previous post of yours mentioning that members of your family are in Gaza. You are fully entitled to give (and I would expect you to) a version of events from their perspective. Because of your personal situation, I'm reluctant to engage in a discussion/argument with you.
    You've seen my posts, so you know where I stand, but I have no desire to make your life anymore stressful than I imagine it is at the moment.
    We can agree to disagree and leave it at that.

    That is not to say I won't be commenting on the whole Gaza/Muslim situation when I feel inclined to. You should respond (or not) how you wish but as you will have seen, things can escalate quickly on here. I don't much care if the others get upset by my comments but IMO your situation is different.
     
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    Gareth Roberts

    Britain is frozen by fear
    • 22 October 2025, 7:19am
    What do the following things have in common? The ‘Safety Advisory Group’ of Birmingham City Council banning the sale of away tickets to fans of an Israeli football team. The refusal of police to arrest ‘pro-Palestinian’ marchers calling to ‘globalise the intifada’ right in front of them. The reluctance of politicians to implement the law on separation of the sexes, made clear months ago by the Supreme Court ruling. The government’s unwillingness to protect parliament from Chinese spying. I think the answer is simple: plain, old-fashioned fear.
    Yes, we often hear accusations that the institutions are squeamish about difficult topics, that individuals are guilty of moral cowardice. We toss this criticism about airily, as if all it would take to sort these things out is for our leaders to show some spine. But I reckon it goes deeper than that. This is genuine, personal fear with a capital F. Fear makes sense of it all. They’re afraid. And here’s the big thing: that fear is justified.

    There are three levels of modern political fear. First, and this is serious enough, there is the fear of losing one’s social status and career, of ‘cancellation’. Taking a position against the consensus that dominates the progressive establishment still marks you out.
    Then there is the fear of facing the truth, because it is overwhelming, and it would also mean accepting that you have been not only wrong, but have been proved disastrously wrong. (And even worse, that the people you despise were correct.) This applies across the board, to the Supreme Court foot-draggers, China avoiders and mass immigration enthusiasts alike.

    And third, and this is the big unmentionable: actual physical fear for your life and the lives of others.

    We can see this in the failure to find anybody willing to head up the rape gang inquiry. Survivors on the preparatory panel were told yesterday that social worker Annie Hudson, one of only two names left in the frame, no longer wanted to be considered for the post. Can you blame her? Her name would be associated forever with a massive truth bomb that would set a lion among the pigeons. The progressive establishment would despise her, and she’d be painting a target on her own back with what we still timidly refer to as ‘our communities’. Hilary Cass and Tony Sewell have suffered harassment – and, in Sewell’s case, professional censure – merely for leading inquiries on much colder, though still highly controversial, topics.

    The fear of violence is the enormous elephant in the room of Britain. When you see, for example, Jess Phillips harassed at her election count last year by supporters of the local ‘Gaza independent’, you begin to see why she behaves in the peculiar way that she does. She is terrified.

    The government’s own working party to define ‘Islamophobia’ is, we hear, in trouble. A phobia, after all, is an irrational fear. It’s taboo to admit that we’re actually frightened, to the point of inertia, by Islamism. None of us has ever had to square up to anything like this. We’d really rather not. So we look for crumbs of solace, chuntering on as Starmer does about diversity being our strength, our marvellous British values of tolerance, etc.

    The horrors of the Hamas attack on 7 October 2023 in Israel are so far beyond our modern western understanding of the world that we simply cannot comprehend them. Last year the Henry Jackson Society polled British Muslims and found that 39 per cent disputed the truth of the events, and that 46 per cent sympathised with Hamas. Only 28 per cent said it would be undesirable to outlaw homosexuality.

    Demographic forecasters say the UK’s Muslim population could treble between 2017 and 2050. How is that going to turn out, when so many Muslims hold these kinds of views? Is being afraid of this really irrational? A ‘phobia’? When the police and other state agencies refuse to act, placing so-called ‘community cohesion’ above every other consideration, it is because they know they simply could not cope with the reaction, and it would also be a bad look, exposing the very uncomfortable truth.

    Over the last 30 years there have been historic errors made

    It turns out the Met can ban protests, in the right circumstances. A recent statement tells us: ‘The prospect of serious disorder has prompted us to intervene to prevent a protest organised by Ukip’ – they’re still going, apparently – ‘from taking place in Tower Hamlets on Saturday. It was calling for “mass deportations” and had caused significant community concerns.’ But endless public calls over the last two years to ‘globalise the intifada’, and other blatantly anti-Semitic rallying, have been ignored. Why could that be? And this ‘serious disorder’ – from what or whom would it originate? Carrots? Presbyterians? Showaddywaddy?

    In this context, Starmer’s pathetic wheedling about a ‘patriotic renewal’ of a united Britain begins to look more like the bargaining of the victim of a protection racket, for which the only defence is compliance.

    Similarly, the threat of violence from gender activists has our establishment quaking in their boots. Green MP Sian Berry reacted to the vandalism and intimidation of a feminist conference by trans activists in her Brighton constituency with a tweet that blamed the women for ‘inflaming division’. The collapse of the Chinese spy trial was also very obviously motivated by fear of a different kind.

    The first step towards defeating a problem is correctly identifying it. Over the last 30 years there have been historic errors made, on a horrifying scale, on uncontrolled immigration, on gender, and on China. It is very big, very scary stuff. I wish we didn’t have to face it, but we must. As it stands, we are terrified, and scared even to say that we are.
     
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    Yes and no, do you have to have been to a place to comment on it? Have you ever been to Gaza?
     
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    I thought it was just London that had fallen.
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