Chelsea fan here, look everyone knows wenger needs to buy but to call for his head 3 games into the season is ridiculous, we know how it feels with the papers calling for our managers heads often enough just because we don't win a f'in trophy for one season. Anyway onto to the game yes 8-2 was pretty embarassing but what else could it have been? Don't forget you played a hard game away in italy mid-week while man who had a nice rest, you then went away to one of the hardest grounds to play at in england with a depleted squad, your defence isn't the strongest with vermalen and sagna and you didn't even have them today, you've just lost your two best players, you had no wilshere,sagna,vermalen, gervinho. You also had to play about half an hour with 10men yet despite all this you still managed to score two goals against man u. People look at the result and the performance and are thinking your in a crisis. All you need is a CB, a Midfielder or two, and a world class striker and your be fine, maybe some average subs as well because your bench was looking weak today, but it isn't that bad, its been 3 games you have 35 games to turn it around, you have vermalen,sagna, wilshere to come back and hopefully your manager will finally see the light and get cahill and get a midfielder and a striker. Otherwise then yes he should go but judge him at the end of the season not 3 games in. Now this is all from a chelsea fan, you might call me a idiot but this is how i see your situation, theres only one way for you and that's up so keep your chins up which i'm sure you will considering at 6-1 all i could hear watching the game was arsenal fans singing there hearts out. All the best and good luck for the rest of the season ( apart from when you play us lol ).
Thank you for seeing it with reason (something most Gunners can't seem to do) While despite all those factors it was a POOR game...I agree we need a CB/LB (Verthogen), aMidfielde (Hazard,Kaka,etc...) and a world class FC (Benzema, anyone thats better than what we have)
Exactly mate, it was a poor game but there is a few positives, and to be honest this will make or break you because your weaknesses have been highlighed by this result and if wenger still can't see them then maybe he should go. And yep i've read your interested in hazard that would be a very good buy, and apparently you've contacted us about Alex and we're prepared to sell ( Don't really want to see him go as his a very good defender but with the promise luiz showed last season and the way bosingwas going on it looks like ivanovics the back-up cb so alex may find games hard to come by so maybe we will have to take the money and let him go ), and from a striker point of view van persies great but i feel his more suited to playing behind a striker and chamakh and bendtner just aint arsenal class, bit like kalou for us his ok but his not chelsea class, there more bolton/wigan class. Benzema/Tevez even Klose would be a good buy, you just need someone like eto, someone thats going to seize upon all them crosses and good passes you put in, the creativity which i wish we had. But anyway for the good of football i hope wengers finally got the message and your be back up to the top 4 soon.
Even then letting EIGHT goals is just a massive joke. Fair enough we have a shocking team but at the very least, Wenger should have set them up not to get destroyed. At HT, he should have told them not to play the high line anymore. Those players in the back 4 have never played in defence together. So the high line was all over the place. They should have dropped deep and found a way to attack United with the pace of Walcott, which did bring chances.
if i may say so from my armchair, arsene wenger is a very good manager, he now needs to rebuild a phoenix from the ashes capable of giving shrewsbury a good game and certainly better than the juvenile rabble he put out yesterday.
I couldn't disagree with the OP more. This is one of very few occasions where you couldn't fault the players. Apart from Rosicky and Arshavin (who clearly don't want to be there) I felt every Arsenal player gave it their all. What Wenger did to them was absolutely inexcusable. It will take the likes of Jenkinson, Traore and Coquelin a long time to ever recover from that if they ever do. And sending on Chamberlain under those circumstances for his debut was so harsh. The likes of Walcott who is only 22 himself had to guide all of these young players in what is arguably the hardest place in world football to go to. The only thing that would have been worse is if they were playing Barcelona. Wenger has built Arsenal up to knock them straight back down again and I feel they should have sacked him at least 12 months ago to be honest. To solve a problem you have to acknowledge there is one, and the fact Wenger doesn't for me is enough to warrant a sacking. This game reminds me of our 3-0 loss to Sunderland last season (only much worse). From here it is all downhill for Arsenal. Nobody will fear you and every team will fancy there chances of getting something against you which is the complete opposite of United and City, and to a lesser extent Chelsea and Liverpool. I cannot believe Wenger is willing to spend over the odds on kids, but not cough up for experienced players. Arsenal used to be a team I hated but at the same time had the utmost respect for, now they have simply become a laughing stock and I would be disappointed if we didn't get 6 points from them tbh What they need is someone like Louis Van Gaal or even Guus Hiddink, someone with tactical sense. Wenger is a fantastic coach but a poor manager. And what Arsenal need is the best of both
Exactly who would replace him? Has there really been money to spend all these years or has Wenger just taken the heat and covered up some financial problems by pretending not to want to spend?
I think Wenger genuinely likes to find a 'diamond in the rough' instead of paying £25m+ for a player. But he's never been adversed to buying top quality when we need it. Trouble is that now City and Chavs are throwing money around like it's going out of fashion, a £10m player now costs £20m and his wages have gone from £60k per week to £160k per week. Arsenal will be in good shape when the FFP rules come into effect, trouble is that we may be lagging so far behind by then, that it will make little difference. I think Arsenal are going to have to compromise their complete financial sustainability ethos and invest some of Kronke and Usmanov's billions into the squad. That doesn't sit very easily with me, but I'd rather that than watch us slip down the table and potentially lose Champions league football
The FFPR doesn't really help you if you arn't in the champions league... Or unwilling to spend your extra advantage on players. Plus Arsenal won't be in much of a better position than others anyway. For all the savings they makes on wages and transfer fees other clubs just get 10m a year training kit sponsors...
You sound like a denier, one of those people who think Wenger is perfect and you hang on to Wenger's last word. There are many fans who say this day coming, with the constant depletion of quality from our squad, the number of inconsistent performers, the misfits, the lack of experience. I don't care what the board are doing, this is Wenger's fault. He dismantled a winning team, a winning formula, the Invincibles and has steadily taken us backwards ever since. It started with his 1 year contract only to over 30s and cascaded. Look at some of the tripe he has brought in during that time: Bendtner, Silvestre, Squilacci, Traore. Add to that an inability to have effective game plans or alternate game plans. He is tactically so shocking I am amazed we ever beat any top 10 club. Wenger knew Fabregas was going and Nasri was never going to stay, he does what Wenger does .. bury his head in the sand like a clueless buffoon. All of our purchases should've been made long before our pre-season started, especially foreign purchases. The likes of Miquel, Coquelin and Jenkinson should NEVER have been needed 3 games into the season against Man U. Jenkinson has not showed any form of quality during his appearances and is a Div 1 player, he looks completely clueless. What Wenger has allowed to happen is unforgivable and something must be done by the board now. I'm up for marching down to the Emirates and kicking down doors.
What are you talking about ?? Have you seen how much we pay our kids ??? Are you telling me we couldn't have picked up Enrique on sensible wages for £6m ? Are you telling me we couldn't have picked up Ashley Young for £16m ? Aston Villa paid £24m FFS for Bent and Bent can't stop scoring. Fergie paid £30m on Rooney .... and look at Rooney now. He took a punt of £16m on Ronaldo and look at Ronaldo. Wenger took a punt on Walcott, a Championship player for £12m but thought Ronaldo was too expensive. He's paid the same for Oxo cube who is a Div 1 player. Wenger makes no sense at all and has lost the plot. Spend the sodding money you need to buy the players you need and fix the problems we have. WE need 2 CBs, 1 LB, a commanding DM (if we must play with a DM) 1 AM and a striker proven to score goals, who knows where the penalty area is. 6 players and we have over £80m to spend. Nobody is asking for us to blow it on 2 players, but at least 5 wouldn't be a bad start. Sell the deadwood too: Denilson, Bendtner, Vela, Diaby, Rosicky, Song, Walcott, Arshavin, Almunia, Squillaci, Djourou, Koscielny, Fabianski, cack the lot of 'em. I couldn't careless that Walcott scored 2 goals .. whoop de doo .. he is still poor.
I dont agree with this, if you are a professional football player and you want to be the best, you have to stand up and be counted, I don't care how old you are, some of those players treated that game like a joke after half time. As a former full back even I could see that jenkilson and treaore were standing square on to there opponents and they were just going past them like they weren't there ( even school footballers don't do that). Surely when the score got to about 4, the players must have thot to themselves that they should sit back kill the game and limit the damage, not this bunch of players tho, there bombing forward leaving huge gaps. Even non league players are capable of making a decision during a game, to blame the manager for this is unfair (tho he brought them to the club), this is arsenal football club, do people really think our players need to be told the obvious, that they shouldn't be able to make basic decisions both individually and collectively? I used to coach under 12s a few years ago, and that's the sort of thing I had to tell them, about giving yourself a 2 yard start and not all flooding forward at once, are you telling me at premier league level a manager should have to tell his full backs this? The players need to be held accountable, if there not good enough get rid of them, if jenkinson hasn't been taught not to stand square on when he was in the under 12s then theres something wrong with coaching in this country and its no wonder the home nations never do anything at major tournaments (or even get to them in my own country, scotlands case haha.
Obviously you could have. You have totally misunderstood my post though. I'm saying that all the fans saying "once the Financial fair play comes in we will be the best" not if you lose the £30m from the champions league. Also having an advantage in money after the FFP comes in only matters if Wenger spends the money... But he doesn't. Also although you pay some of your kids good wages for their ability and don't pay anyone above £90k a week it doesn't really help much when clubs like Liverpool, Man U and Man City are basically doping their finances with sponsorship deals. Your team is cutting back whilst other clubs are having an arms race to increase sponsorship. I'm not saying your skint im saying that having all that money and low wages won't put you in a good position with the Financial fair play because if you drop out of the champions league you lose pretty much all of this "advantage" of being a well run club.
I know I WOULD DO BETTER AS ARSENAL'S MANAGER. My missus has a better understanding of how to play different sides than Wenger does.
Like when we needed top quality CB's 2 seasons ago but ended up with Koscielny (will take a while for him to be top quality) and Squillaci (will never be top quality)? Or last summer when we needed a new goalkeeper but still had Almunia between the posts by the time the new season started? The only time he has brought in a top quality player would be with Arshavin, and that makes me think he isn't too bothered by not winning the league and only values staying in the top 4.
