His second team will be whoever has Brownie next, poor lad is probably hoping it's us as it must hurt a lot backing Barmby after he's slagged him off so much on here in the past
What the **** are you talking about? Taylor left for Palace, Parkinson did a worse job than McLaren did at England. Phil Brown not only got us promoted: he saved us from League 1.
He didn't lose the plot, he overachieved, and then when the team started performing as we all expected them to when we first went up he'd "lost the plot"? He was sacked unfairly, even if he didn't manage to keep us up he more than deserved the chance to get us back to the Premier League. Some City fans' attitudes to our greatest ever manager make me sick, quite frankly.
Agree completely. I love what Phil brown did for this club and he really was a very successful manager for us. However, something went very wrong with him - before that man city match - and I don't think Phil knows how to put it right again and I'm sure his ego played a big part in that. He quite rightly should have a place in Hull City history but in footballing terms I can see him disappearing into obscurity when and if he loses the Preston job.
I think most fans recognise what he did, and what he didn't do in the end. If he ever comes back to us in the Championship I'd be glad to see him at the club. It's also been mentioned on here by several people that his attitude towards some fans was appaling so I don't see him through rose-tinted specs like some.
Agree pretty much with this, Preston won't keep him much longer so he will have to hope for somebody nostalgic at our club to give him another chance.
There's no denying he did excellent things for us, and for his first 2 years he was a brilliant manager. He's arguably the best manager we've ever had along with Dolan, Hateley and Dowie. He turned tactically inept as after January 2009 I can scaresly remember seeing an attacking line-up or even a line up which didn't involve half a team of square pegs in round holes to accommodate his yes men, the few left with respect for him who would still try their best. His man management was what let him down IMO as players like Cousin started getting pissed off with him and he lost control behind the scenes. He then started to get scared of attacking and playing wingers as lone strikers as all our proper strikers got fed up and couldn't be arsed, prime examples being how he handled Cousin and Folan. At the end of the day there's still a great manager in there, he has to learn from his mistakes and probably take a bit of time out and start afresh, but he's proved he can do it with us once so he can do it again, keeping us up, getting us promoted and keeping us up again 3 seasons consecutively can't be down to pure luck. If he ever recovers from what happened here and now at Preston, I've no doubt he'll go on to do good things again one day, he just needs to have the right players playing for him who's egos and personalities don't clash with his.
TWF is a brownylover because he only started following city in the playoffs... saying he's the greatest manager we've ever had proves it...
No - you just know the grand sum of **** all about football! The man was a lucky prick who embarassed the appointment he held. He took the club on a roll and had no idea how to change gear or direction.The players stole Wembley for us, despite Brown, the Karaoke clown. Many of us gave him a fair crack of the whip and he ****ed it up - which is exactly why we are now tryoing to get promoted once more.
I did start following City in the play-offs... in Division 3 when Little was in charge. I haven't been following City for long, but I realise I'm lucky enough to have seen two of the greatest managers in City's history in Taylor and Brown. This is the point where you list all of the other managers who took us to the top flight btw.
That explains everything, if you'd seen the lows, I think you'd have a different attitude. You're only used to success so it's fair to keep wanting success. You have to understand where the clubs come from before you started following, and how Paul Duffen/Russell Bartlett could have taken us straight back there again with the help of Jimmy Bullard if it wasn't for the genius of AP and the generosity of the Allams. No wonder you're such a ****ing clueless idiot
Two things really. No-one denies what a great job he did keeping us up, taking us up and then keeping us up again. But people forget from December of our first season in the PL to when he took us down he completely changed the system he played. Can someone explain why? We lost our best striker and didn't replace him, why? We chopped and changed our starting team ridiculous times why? He was so arrogant and up Duffen's ass why? The naughty step? That maybe more than two things but hey. He was a great maanger but if someone can explain each one of those points for me i will then love him forever for it was not his fault that he took us to the bottom echelons of the PL. He deserved the sack, end of.
He turned schizofrenic in his team selection. The 2nd season in the PL he had 2 distinct systems that he was switching between at random. One of them involved playing someone like Garcia up front on his own and hoofing it to him in a way that made the start of last season seem exciting (think Pompey at home when they were rock bottom), the other involved us collecting points. I did the maths at the time he was sacked, if he'd stuck with the system that worked and followed that average over the season we'd have got about 50 points. And it wasn't down to the oppposition we were playing being easier with one setup because that average to get 50 points included games against most of the top sides. He didn't stick with it for more than a couple of games at a time so our actual average ended up being much lower and we were on route to be relegated so he got sacked. It's a shame given what he had done in the past, but he was given over a year to turn it back round and kept throwing it away every time he looked like he had. This situation we've got with you and him is like trying to explain to the Mrs that it doesn't matter that her mum used to be a professional cook, she's going senile and would be better being looked after in a home before she blows the house up because she keeps turning the gas on but forgetting to light the gas ring.
1904 ............I think a lot of your questions can be put into perspective if you work out the time when BIG SAM was out of a job and what happened to us when he got another Management position. Phil Brown was "Guided" up to promotion and left floundering to relegation because of his comedy Hollywood ego. He never was a good manager ,tactitian or Man Manager .He just just got lucky as the dice fell his way. The current atmosphere and comments on the Preston board tend to show he hasn't learnt from his catalogue of errors. He should be permanently remembered by all as "Square pegs in round holes Brown" which was his philosophy from day one as Tigers manager. Ps Thats my honest opinion and has been from early in PB's tenure and I have no intention in being baited into a slanging match with the more vociferous of the insult merchants on this forum. Have a nice day you all.
Preston fans would have expected to be pushing for a return to the championship this season, their current position at the end of November says different, so they're thick ****s for being disappointed at how their season is going? They'll also be the ones who have seen enough of Brownie recently to pass judgement on him and his abilities to manage them. He's the Preston boss now and what he achieved here doesn't matter, if he's not producing the goods there then aren't the Preston fans entitled to want him to go? Remember, what Pearson achieved at Leicester was irrelevent to what he did here as you used to say, is it not the same case here? As for Brownie himself, I will always be grateful for the fact he helped bring us top flight football, kept us there and gave me memories that will last a life time. Not to mention he also saved us from near certain relegation to league 1 the season before. I willl never deny he did a great job here, but that doesn't mean I have to sing his praises and worship the ground he walks on everytime his name is mentioned. He definetly had his faults while he was here, and like it or not with a lot of fans they are as memorable as the good things. His faults began to affect the club (team selections, club representation to the wider football community etc) and with his games won record it's hard to believe he lasted here as long as he did before he was sacked.
So what I take away from this thread is, it was entirely Phils actions and decisions that got us promoted and kept us in the PL for 2 seasons, but it wasn't his fault at all when things went into decline. lol Quite happy to thank the guy for what he did keeping us up, taking us up, keeping us up again but if you think I'm not going to blame him for the decline as well, you must be deluded. If he was as a much a saviour and awesome manager as some of you seem to think, surely PNE would be vying for a playoff spot to the PL by now?
Brown still seems to have the City supporters into 2 camps. It all depends on your presective of him. I thank him for saving us from relegation and gaining the promotions but cannot forgive him for his inept tactics and man management. Where Brown totally lost it for me was when it became apparent that it was more important to promote himself rather than keep City promoted.
