Maybe I missed something. As far as I know, the main fan groups will each elect a number of representatives. These groups are open to any bona fide fan to join. It's up to them to do that without fighting amongst themselves. As I pointed out, there can't be completely unlimited voting, otherwise there'd be the risk of people who aren't PAFC fans at all getting involved. I'll just quote from a couple of Tweets during the Wimbledon game, from Argyle fans, please note. "Home park is turning in to a civil war zone, constant arguments and fights today, hostile place to be" He's not referring to fights with away fans. "Not seen Devenport so angry. Lots of heated words between supporters." "Plymouth argyle have the worst and greatest fans" "Poor support from some fans today. They don't deserve a team." "To any so called Argyle fan booing, take a look at yourself. Glad the real supporters are still chanting!" "Argyle booed off by their own fans at half time." What chance of that lot running elections? I can't see it's Brent's fault, really I can't.
Er .....Fletcher out..... Thought I'd get that in before 'The Invisible Fan' puts his oar in! Sorry Sensible, you know it makes sense.
"P" off NB and stir somewhere else. Those tweets notdistant are fairly accurate but lets not blame the supporters. The team have to put on some sort of entertainment and to be frank they didn't. The trouble is that there are still those who feel they have to be grateful. Well they don't. It is the job of the entertainment supplier to entertain them when they have forked out their cash. Trust me when I say Brent is living on borrowed time numbers wise. You can hear it and feel it in the ground and people will stop coming. There is only so much poor fodder you can take. For once, although I know you won't agree, you living away fans are lucky you don't have to sit through what we locals have to. You truely need to see it to appreciate what I mean and not rely on reports or the odd radio commentary.
Not stirring just stating facts. You may be seen by some on here as the font of all wisdom but they sure do have your number on ATD More importantly Joe, how is the little fellah??
I would personally love to see it no matter how bad it is but unfortunately some of us have to rely on reports be it press, club or family....sometimes you have to be grateful for what u have no matter how bad it may seem. Now I do not really feel I should have to defend myself for having an opinion on my club but for reference I have a 1 hour chat with my son after most games and despite the fact that he was born with two left feet and could not beat a one legged man in an arse kicking contest he was at football matches before he could sit up in his pram. Be it watching me, the DJM teams I coached or Argyle he knows a bit about the game and I respect his opinion. So be it first hand at the game, via reports, personal feedback, tv or whatever other means to trump someone esle with ´if ur not there......´sort defeats the object of this forum. Now I have sat in the Brit on many an occasion after the game and listened to people talk about the game and thought I must have gone to a different match to them, so whilst I appreciate it is hearsay we deal with unfortunately that is all we have to base our opinons on but two people who watched the same match can be poles apart as well. That being said I have heard nothing positive about yesterdays performance from any source.
Mexijan.....It is significant at the moment that the faithful of PASOTI are starting to rebel at what is going on...... reports on one website said that Brent was getting an ear bashing from those around the directors box......that is the green tinted areas of the stand.
Fletcher's been in post what, just under a year? Not counting the closed season, I guess 2/3 or 3/4 of that was successfully fighting relegation which had seemed inevitable. During that time, the style was pretty ugly but we were keeping clean sheets & grinding out results and that period has to go down as a success. This season, I think it's obvious Fletcher is trying for a better style, not always successfully. We've suffered a string of injuries but our away form is quite good - 11th best in the league - but our home form is poor - ranked 19th out of the 24. I wonder why that is? Leaving aside the 500 or 1,000 Green Army away faithfuls, I do blame the home fans, I've always blamed the home fans, who seem to think they have a God given right to a successful, entertaining football club. Players, especially young inexperienced players, need actual support through thick & thin and they aren't getting it. As to Brent, don't misunderstand. He's not a football man and if the fans decide to sink their own club, he'll merely cut the losses the club incurs & get on with the property deals which were what he always wanted. That isn't a criticism except of the fans who fail to understand it.
Its his club as well Notdistant or perhaps Fletcher has been left in his position to sink the club !!!!
Mexijan, my comment was not to suggest anyone is a better fan for being there. All I'm trying to say, and maybe not putting it very well, is the stuff on offer is bloody poor. It is so poor that some are going to decide soon not to bother going even though they could. There is no substitute for seeing for yourself however and I am not one to over egg a performance either in a favourable way or critical way. I give an honest appraisal of what I see without favour. I'm sorry notdistant but you persist in going down this "you should be grateful" route. Why should anyone be grateful to Brent now. He did his deal and on bloody good terms for him. He got his foot in the Plymouth door for outside deals and isn't good old Mr Brent who has saved the day because he is a saint. Brent owns the club and by that virtue it is up to him and his staff to entertain people if he wants them to give the club (him) their hard earned cash in an entertainment industry. If you play rubbish and win then people will forgive a great deal. If you play rubbish and consistently struggle and fail then eventually they won't. This is not a team full of kids anymore. At the moment they just aren't producing and by that virtue are not good enough. This is an assembly with a better budget than most other clubs. That is down to Fletcher who either renewed contracts or brought the same players back. Most who see it week on week would say he looks to have wasted most of the money he had. It is absolutely 100% not the supporters who play the football and badly. They do not control the purse strings or train and manage the players. They want something back for their money and are being sold short. Supporters have a right to voice their concerns however they please and it is up to the providers to change things. I have supported this club for 50 years and cannot remember a worse bunch of players collectively as we have right now.
Brent is just another greedy Bastard it seems. Not interested in putting the money in.... You could be correct Gat in letting it sink... he will concentrate on all the other deals he has done .... would he have got those deals if he never took on Argyle? Makes you wonder.... Sensible check your PM inbox???
I'll repeat it again Sensible in bullet point form the hope you actually take on board the significance of what I'm saying. I give up on some here but I'd have thought you'd have the sense to see it. 1) Only Brent & the Heaney consortium were interested in the club when it was for sale, even at a knock down fire sale price. 2) Both of those are/were property developers, interested in the property potential around the ground, not in football itself. 3) There is no identifiable individual with the slightest interest in PAFC on a sugar-daddy basis. 4) The lack of interest is entirely unsurprising - lower league football clubs (i.e. from 11th in the PL downwards) at best break even and at worst consume a mountain of cash. Nobody in their right minds would want one. 5) If you want further evidence, the last 2 sets of owners were Gardner & his lot, also interested in property with a World Cup twist, and Stapleton & Co, genuine fans but without the financial clout to take the club anywhere permanently. 6) Once the property developments are done, PAFC will have no lifeboat at all, they can't be done twice. Get in financial trouble again and PAFC is sunk for good. 7) Brent will not put his hand into his pocket and bail the club out again. He's only interested in the property. He has never said he was going to finance promotion. 8) It's not a question of being grateful, it's a question of being realistic and accepting that Brent is all there is and if this club is to recover, it has to be done slowly & securely, from its own resources.
There isn't much I or most others have not agreed with in your post notdistant so it has nothing to do with seeing sense. There are however two things in your post that could be questioned. The first is that only Brent and Heaney were interested in the first place. I am quoting some other opinion here but I have no evidence either way to dispute or confirm it. This is the opinion that the Administrator failed miserably to even try to market the club elsewhere. I have never seen anything that suggested he went outside the candidates who came to him and he went the other way and went to others. The details of the Administration are fairly sketchy to say the least. If indeed this theory is correct then we will never know who might have been there. I realise this is a bit phantasy and is in some ways an assumption it didn't happen. The way the Administration was governed though suggests there could be some mileage in it. The second is that Brent will not pay to save the club twice. I've said it previously and will say it again. What exactly did he do to pay to save the club in the first place. It looks to me as if he hasn't paid anything out of his own pocket. The original outlay was more than covered by the Council buying the ground for £1.7m. The ongoing debt is being paid for by the existing supporters through the gate. This deal is ongoing for a period of 5 years. What did he pay then himself? What he appears to be doing is making the current and future supporters buy the club for him rather than he buy it and even get money back later. He has opened the door for himself locally with his involvement to obtain other development opportunities so he has profitted from his involvement indirectly. As far as I can see we have nothing to be that grateful for. I will reverse the criticism pointed at those who question him to ask why can't these people see this to be the case rather than blow Brent's trumpet as some kind of saintly figure who did US a favour. I would suggest he has done very well out of this deal.
If people want to blame the administrator for struggling to sell something that is not just worthless but a significant liability, so be it. If people are more obsessed with somebody making some money than the fact that the club is still playing League football when otherwise it wouldn't, so be it. I see yet more trouble ahead........ and I repeat if we go down again, it will be fatal. But I formally give in and leave you to your fate.
It isn't the fact he has done outside deals notdistant. It his business of course and he is a Businessman. My inclusion of this is that he has used his association with Argyle to get his foot in the door of the City and even you must see that. But the main point is that he hasn't actually paid anything out of his pocket in the saving of the club. It is wrong therefore to say he won't save us twice because we are saving ourselves at this moment albeit he is the central figure in enabling that to happen. That is all he is though. The point regarding the Administration is of course speculative and I realise that. It cannot be denied though that Guilfoyle put all his eggs in the Heaney basket very quickly and excluded all others. The Argyle supporters who manned the baracades and fought the Heaney bid put all of their eggs very quickly in the Brent basket. Nobody else was considered and there is nothing in the public domain that says anyone even looked. You must surely see where this idea that if sought there may just have been a better option out there has come from even if it is wrong. We all know that the club was worth nothing very much but so have other clubs been and they have all so far managed to find a willing buyer rather than an unwilling one. I don't totally agree we would have found somebody else but I also cannot just dismiss the possibility. I just noticed the timing of your first post and guess the shoulder must still be playing up. I had a frozen shoulder once before and it was very painful and I could hardly raise my arm at all. Everytime I did I spent the next 10 minutes slumped. I had to have a cortezone injection in the end but it did fix it and I have never had a re-occurence. Hope your's improves soon and you have my sympathy.
NB, The son is doing ok thanks as well as we can expect. Who are you? Sensible have you upset Plym as he not about? Hope he is ok as miss his posts... they do make me laugh.. typical tory! Unless he has gone to the Tory party conference along with Boris
Think he was off to Bognor Regis for a couple of days. Said something about a Gay rally I think. NB = NickyB. I'd love to see Plym at the Tory conference with Boris. Could just see people asking "who is that?" Somebody replying "I don't know who the blonde bufoon is but the one with him is Plymborn."
Ha, Plym at the tory conference !! NickyB ??? is he the stoke fan? Did he take the wife to Bognor? Its a long walk from kent
Hmmmmh after an hour with Plym I can image Boris's speach now " After careful analysis and input from experts for the Finanial sector and Business Analyists I can catagorically confirm that the Global financial melt and slowing of the economy was unequivocally down to a Mr Carl Fletcher."
He was taking the other half joe. And yes NickyB is the Stoke fan. I listened today to Boris on the radio at the Conference. People are saying he could be the next Tory Leader. God help us but formal meetings would certainly liven up a tad. He is funny. Plays the buffoon but I think there is a definate shrewdie under there.
