That's my point. It's just a left wing publication trying to discredit a right wing publication. It would be the same vice versa.
No when/if we leave the EU, now play close attention, the rules still exist we just leave. Guess what we’re still going to be adhering to their rules because we’ve just signed continuity trade deals with countries based on the EU deals complete with their rules and we’ll have to keep adhering to those rules for those trade deals. Here is the 1400 page original document for you to peruse at your leisure https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2011:127:FULL&from=EN . What we’ve basically done is a cut and paste job of this agreement, sure they’ll have been a couple of small tweaks along the way (and no idea yet as to who’s advantage they’ll have been) but in essence we’ll be following the same old rules as the EU rules.
I agree with Forza, opendemocracy.net seem to be getting desperate to over analyse the Telegraph poll. All polls are drafted differently, including for and against Brexit. The statement below says "CAN" doesn't say "does" Let’s take the poll first. Anyone who understands questionnaire design will tell you that both question wording and question order can easily bias responses if not carefully drafted. Straight forward question, nothing wrong with it. People answered based on their own personal opinions, after all, that's what a poll is all about, opinions. There was little sign of careful drafting. The headline was based on a question which invited respondents to agree or disagree with the statement “Boris needs to deliver Brexit by any means, including suspending parliament if necessary, in order to prevent MPs from stopping it”. Boris Johnson is known as Boris to everyone, same as Sadiq Khan (not Mayor Khan) and Treasonous May, sometimes the media will refer to them as PM, but doubt Mr Johnson gets a mention. It doesn’t take a research methods expert to understand that there are at least four problems here. First, there is 'Boris': not 'Mr Johnson' or 'the PM' but that nice uncle 'Boris' with whom we are all intimately familiar. Wouldn’t hurt a fly. Seems the democracy.net mob are trying to achieve what they're actually complaining against. Third, there is what academics grandly call “acquiescence bias” which simply means we’re all more prone to agreeing with statements than disagreeing with them. By now, it's pretty wide spread news that not all MPs on both sides want Brexit to happen, and equally so don't want a no deal to happen either. News is there's a plot amongst some MPs to stop Boris from exercising a "no deal" Brexit, as well as trying to stop Brexit. democracy.net are no different really to other remainers, just trying to camouflage things. Fourth, and most egregious of all, there is the rider that this is all about preventing MPs from stopping Brexit rather than allowing MPs to prevent a no-deal Brexit (which would almost certainly command a higher level of support).
The continuity trade deals do come under EU rules, untill 31st October, or should I say 1st November, then the EU have no jurisdiction over any trade deals the UK make, or have made. This is from the link you put reference the SK and UK trade deal. Please note the word "FREELY" after Brexit. The UK has signed a "continuity" trade agreement with South Korea, allowing businesses to keep trading freely after Brexit. Once we leave the EU, they have no say in who we trade with, or what we trade. "Ready to trade on Thursday 31st October" means, the deals are free from EU rules and regulations. Your link also says "our continuity trade deal with SK says "The agreement is roughly in line with the terms of the existing Korea-EU free trade deal". This means some things are similar to the EU SK free trade deal, and somethings are not...........................Nearly all, if not all trade deals around the world are going to be similar in agreements and details, but also differ depending on each countries needs. "My priority is to make sure that British businesses are fully prepared for Brexit and ready to trade on Thursday 31 October," Ms Truss said in a statement. This means exactly what it says. "Ms Truss said the agreement would allow firms such as luxury carmaker Bentley to "keep trading as they do today, and they will be able to take advantage of the opportunities that Brexit offers". Unless Boris turns into Treasonous Boris, then we leave the EU free from any EU rules regulations, laws and corruption. UK Trade agreements post Brexit. https://www.gov.uk/guidance/uk-trade-agreements-with-non-eu-countries-in-a-no-deal-brexit
I agree over analysing isn't a good look but how does the Telegraph get 54% in favour from a 44% in favour survey result?
Wouldn't worry about it, whichever way the lefties try and twist the result of the poll the percentage for being ok about leaving with no deal is still higher than the percentage for being against leaving without a deal. Like I said, they're panicking and clutching at straws
It’s about a poll that had 44% in favour but with a big number of don’t knows. If you only look at the people with a clear opinion it was 54% of them.
Does anyone have a link to this COMRES poll? It's not even listed on their website. I've tried Googling it to no avail. All I find is a tsunami of derision about the poll - and not just from 'the left wing'. Some serious people have rubbished it, including MORI's top man. Personally, I'd like to see the actual poll, to see who the audience was. If they were down the local EDL club polling, it just might be a different result to polling in Corbyn's constituency. But all fine detail seems to be hidden (deliberately?), so it's difficult to judge. Which is probably deliberate, considering COMRES publish all of their other polls with this data on their website.
https://www.comresglobal.com/polls/the-telegraph-voting-intention-poll-august-2019/ Click on pdf file and scroll down A lot of the criticism has been about the key question being a leading question, plus 2 or 3 questions prior to it ‘softened up’ the respondents. And of course the Telegraph misreporting the real % in favour.
I had actually found that .PDF earlier, but naively only read the first 20 pages or so. Which was all party politics, hence I gave up. Didn't expect it to be on p56. Learned that all this hullabaloo is based on 878 people responding 'agree'. 44%. Or 54% as the Telegraph would have it. Much ado about nothing, imo. Interestingly, on the next table, for the same question, 51% of Scots disagreed, or using the Telegraph's presentation method, 64% of Scots disagreed - nearly 2/3. They of course failed to mention this significant aberration.
To be honest I couldn't give a stuff if you leave or remain, the UK that is, what really annoys me is people being fed lies. It would be great to have an agreed set of "truths" for people to make their minds up about and then move on, I know that's not going to happen. Both sides of this particular argument have been conservative with the truth and used underhand methods to make their point. This isn't a "we win you lose" situation. Whatever happens in the next 8-9 weeks you'll still all be up the same creek with or without a paddle. I truly am amazed how gladiatorial this complex geo-political, economic and social debate has become. It is too complex and important to be fought out in sound bites and twitter rants, but that appears to be what has happened. I hope it all works out for you.
So the 'new' trade deal is basically the same deal? In the future we might be able to negotiate a better or indeed worse deal but at the moment you're trumpeting that we've managed to negotiate the same deal... (with the same EU rules and regs)
I see the no deal opposition meeting has taken place - ****ing bunch of losers Never before has a bigger bunch of sanctimonious know-it-all pricks been gathered together in one place
Not the first time you've got it wrong, No we want to leave, we never mentioned Parliament, that was you who said that.
