She is probably going to go down as one of our worst prime ministers. I would say though that she never had a chance but that does not mean I think she’s any good. It was obvious to me in the referendum that the real choice was some form of hard (ish) Brexit or Remain. I thought the pain from hard brexit made it not worth it. But May has basically tried to find a way of doing Brexit and avoiding the pain - and all she’s done is proven it can’t be done, not credibly. That was a huge mistake on her part. In my view what should have happened is someone good should have been in charge, they should have negotiated a much harder deal, told people honestly what the pros and cons were, and said right at the outset they would go back to the people for a final say. The second referendum debate has become about stopping Brexit but if a brexiter PM had done that it would have been acceptable.
Apparently she was planning to do a press conference yesterday before pointed out to her she had to announce it to commons first so guess it just that rather than anything else monumental to add to the day
"they've had her over a barrel".... Forgive the levity on this solemn occasion but the mental picture of that came into my mind was frightening!!....
Problem is the people who campaigned for Brexit did seem very much not up for delivering it - apart from Gove and one or two lower level ministers none of them stayed around long.
Let's go back a bit. We had a democratic referendum, the result being that we would leave the EU. The politicians of the remain variety could not and would not accept the result of the referendum. This has caused no end of trouble within the UK and given untold power to the EU negotiators. So if you want to blame anyone for this hotch potch of a deal blame the remainers for refusing to stand by the wish of the majority of the people ie democracy. Whilst I am not a lover of TM she has done her best under very difficult circumstances. I don't know how many watched her in the house today but I have got to say I was impressed by her handling of some of the pathetic questions thrown at her. Many of the thick barstewards just did not get the message, we have had the people's vote, and the result of that vote was to leave the EU. THE REMAINERS WANT US TO CONSTANTLY HAVE A VOTE UNTIL THEY GET THE RESULT THEY WANT. Never mind we can have a general election, and if we don't like the result have another one straight away that will please me. Politicians should get off their arses and do the job they are paid for I.e public service, but no they are playing the long game, looking at their own political future. P.S I don't like the backstop arrangement either grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Rant over
I hear where your coming from and I agree 95% - I think May has handled it poorly, from day one she should never have called an election and got on with a no deal Brexit, prepared us for two years and I gaurantee in that time the EU would have came to us asking for a trade deal of sorts. Yes the remainers have caused all kinds of problems but May should have just ignored them, instead she has tried to accomodate everyone and failed.
I don’t want brexit but for me the big mistake was the pro Brexit politicians did not lead us. I remember Johnson’s face when he realised he’d won and Cameron resigned - it was a real ‘Oh ****’ moment. The brexiters in the main have not impressed me either in rising to this. It’s ok blaming pro remainers for undermining this but a determined pro Brexit PM would have produced a proper Brexit deal, they would have had a stronger negotiating position. In my view they would have had the credibility to put the final deal back to the people. That would have shut up anyone (remainer or leaver) complaining the process was not fair. Anyway instead we had TM and she has failed.
No bring on another arrogant, tory public school boy who has been educated beyond their intelligence, I mean where has that gone wrong so far... Cameron, Johnson, Osborne etc etc
How Brexit has been handled is similar to how I handled cancelling my sky tv package a few years ago, it went like this, cutbacks were needed and sky sports was eating into our budget, I couldn't justify the expence , the Mrs wanted out and the sex ban was getting to me, "I will cancel it!!" I relented. I rang them, I told them I wanted out of Sky Sports, "Is there any particular reason?" they asked, I said we needed to cut costs, "hold on a moment" the bloke said, he comes back with "how about if we give you all the Sky Sports PLUS all the movie channels at half price for the first six months and then at the normal price for the remaining six months on a one year deal?", "SWEET!! thats a deal" I replied. Excitedly I told the Mrs of this amazing deal I'd secured, her exact words were "You ****er!!,you've saved us about a tenner a week", "but we've got the movies" I replied, she shook her head disgusted with me.
So david Cameron (Plonka) resigns, the tory's between themselves elect a new leader and refuse to back her. I am starting to come round to the idea that if a PM resigns, we should have a general election. That would sort some of the bu--ers out. Most of the Torys would be out of a job. At least DBC would be happy
Taken from a solicitor friend of mine on Face Book outlining the deal in case anyone checks in unsure what the fuss is all about: My take on it: we leave the EU but agree to transitional arrangements, which pretty much maintain the status quo by binding us to comply with existing EU regs with the exception that we can no longer have any say in the making of future EU regs. We have a special customs agreement but we leave the single market. This state of affairs continues until 2020 or until we can agree on a long-term agreement, which we agree will be finalised no later than 20XX (whenever that may be), whichever is the later. Any disputes as to the agreement will be subject to ECJ. UK can't unilaterally walk away from this agreement as any changes must be agreed jointly with the EU. NI will have different rules which allow them access to the single market which will potentially give NI a trading advantage not enjoyed by other parts of the UK. We must allow EU goods to pass freely from NI to mainland UK but there will be checks going the other way. NI unionists say this breaches their 'blood red' red lines that NI must not be treated differently to other parts of the UK (which is a bit of a joke as NI, Scotland and E&W all have different laws now in any event). The long term permanent agreement will be agreed at a later date but at this stage no details have been agreed. EU will only confirm a final agreement which resolves the NI border issue - which pretty much can't be resolved so in reality the temporary agreement is likely to become permanent. Scotland, who wanted to stay IN the EU and single market are being forced out and are miffed because NI is being kept in. DUP are miffed that they are being kept in and treated differently. Leavers hate it because it doesn't really allow us to leave and do our own thing. Remainers hate it because it puts us in a worse position than we are in now. Those on the fence probably like it because it does neither one thing or the other. Oh and we still have to pay £39 billion (plus all the squillions in civil service costs) so we can all be a bit more skint while we're trying to work out what the final agreement will be.
And don't believe any politician who tells you that the XX date will be anything less than 10 years away. Those on the fence seem to be in a minority
I bet Glory is jumping up and down tearing his hair out, he would just love to be involved in our in depth discussion
If I am being totally honest, I'd say remain in Europe over May's deal and I want out as much today as when I voted Brexit. I'd prefer the politicians to face the public on why they ignored the referendum over 'fudging' it and pretending they have got a deal, I'm still hoping this deal doesn't happen, my number one choice now is no deal just walk away and start planning ahead. Can't believe Northern Ireland can't see what a good deal it is for them
We did indeed have a democratic referendum and it was that we would leave the EU. It did not say how we would leave. Mrs May has tried to negotiate a deal that would respect that vote but not leave the country substantially worse off. The dogs dinner she has served up is about the best anyone could manage. (spoiler alert the EU negotiators always held the untold powers - the people who promised us that we had the upper hand in negotiations have all resigned once reality kicked in; Davis, Johnson, Raab - what have remainers actually managed to stop? If the politicians can't find a way to get round the fact that there is not the numbers for May's deal, No deal or No Brexit (and it's close but I don't think there will be the numbers for May's deal and there def isn't the numbers for the other two options) then probably the only way to get round it will be to go back to the people.
