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Not Enough Creativity!!!

Discussion in 'Ipswich Town' started by Spanish, Feb 15, 2014.

  1. Westlake33

    Westlake33 Well-Known Member

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    So Spanish, you would quite happily want ANY SINGLE manager apart from Sam Alladyce. Ok

    So would you rather Paul Ince, or Peter Reid?

    After all, both are better than McCarthy.

    Do us all a favour, and don't bother coming back.
     
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  2. Westlake33

    Westlake33 Well-Known Member

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    ' I enjoy nothing more than a misinformed, badly punctuated, ill-tempered character assassination from a self-satisfied, roundly detested egomaniac.‘

    Likewise, I enjoy the absolute drivel that Spanish types.

    Good job you don't work, I can't imagine you'd offer anything to any company.

    Spanish, you're not Michael Chopra in disguise are you?
     
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  3. Westlake33

    Westlake33 Well-Known Member

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    ' I enjoy nothing more than a misinformed, badly punctuated, ill-tempered character assassination from a self-satisfied, roundly detested egomaniac.‘

    Likewise, I enjoy the absolute drivel that Spanish types.

    Good job you don't work, I can't imagine you'd offer anything to any company.

    Spanish, you're not Michael Chopra in disguise are you?
     
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  4. WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM

    WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM Well-Known Member

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    I think the only desperation is coming from you it seems as soon as someone disagrees with you in a grown up fashion you resort to name calling, it doesn't bother me as your opinion means nothing to me.
     
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  5. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    <laugh>

    I consider it a badge of honour to get minuses on TWTD! <ok>

    It proves that I don't agree with all the doom and gloom merchants who do not appreciate just what a great job Mick McCarthy is doing under difficult financial circumstances!

    As I said on TWTD you cant expect Champagne Football on a Brown Ale Budget! <ok> <cheers>
     
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  6. Bigalreigned

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    I don't think many of us really expect champagne football but what would be nice is a degree of entertainment on a Saturday afternoon as opposed to endurance!
     
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  7. stretchyboy

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    Finally - the voice of reason!!
     
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  8. tractor bhoy

    tractor bhoy Well-Known Member

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    I dont think anyone has argued against that point BigAl - Stretchy. We have taken a massive leap forward from the days of only last season when we walked through the turnstyle knowing that if we went 1-0 down it could easily turn into a 4,5 or 6 goal humiliation but its not always a fun way to spend a couple of hours on a saturday afternoon.

    I havent come out with anything approaching negativity in my posts as my hopes/ expectations were for a top half finish and no humilating defeats. Im not going to suddenly change the goalposts half way through the season when we are more than exceeding my expectation levels (Not meant as a dig - just explaining my own stance) At the end of the season I will re-address these hopes and next season I will probably expect more entertainment then endurance but to put this into context (purely a personal view) I used to enjoy the style that PJ tried to get us to play with and look how badly that turned out. We would look pretty for the majority of the game yet not have a clue how to defend and get picked us by our own stupidity. If I have to endure games for a season whilst we sort ourselves out and yet somehow keep up with the promotion pushing places then so be it.
     
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  9. Bigalreigned

    Bigalreigned Well-Known Member

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    I've frequently expressed my gratitude to MM for rescuing us but I fail to see that we are moving on to becoming more creative/entertaining.We are over half way through the season and are quite clearly safe,yet we still don't give the youngsters a chance or try a more adventurous approach against sides like Blackpool who are clearly there for the taking.
     
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  10. johnnywarksmoustache

    johnnywarksmoustache Well-Known Member

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    There are no whipping boys in this division so I don't get this thing about it 'Only being Blackpool'. They bought in some very good players in the January window! a damn site more than we did! I appreciate that we should be more attacking and adventurous but the reality is that there are no easy points in this league! <ok>
     
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  11. San Diego

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    TB and Bigal both make good points.
    If we aren't going to go all out to make the play offs and use this as a rebuilding season then it would be a good idea to blood some youngsters as well as try some different tactics/ selections to try and entertain the crowd a bit more. Bring Jack back and have him on the bench. Getting some minutes between now and the end of the season will help him get accustomed to championship football, as well as giving us options from the bench.
     
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  12. itfcptc

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    That's very true and I honestly don't think under Mick it'll be any different, perhaps as we get better players he may be slightly more attacking and positive but it's just Micks style of play safety first. Last season he said this is no time for youngsters and it's interesting to see that he hasn't really given them a chance this season despite us not being in a relegation fight. Micks a top manager and done a great job in terms of stabilising the club and improving our league position I mean really we couldn't have expected anymore on that front but god he can be frustrating, I'm confident he'll get us to the PL but I can just see our games whilst he's here being a slog after slog after slog. I mean is winning and being in the topflight everything? I think I'd take seasons like when we were challenging under Royle playing exciting attacking football rather than slogging it out every game to reach the PL and slogging it out to stay there, football is an entertainment games afterall!!
     
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  13. Westlake33

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    ' Last season he said this is no time for youngsters and it's interesting to see that he hasn't really given them a chance this season despite us not being in a relegation fight. '

    When have we had a chance to play them this season? Up until Reading beat QPR and went 5 points clear, we've either been in the play offs, or within 3 points of them since October.

    Also, Mick has challenged the youngsters, telling them to follow Marriott and Mings example. The reserves/ under 21s are losing literally every fixture going, who are these youngsters that warrant any minutes in the first team setup!?

    From what I saw of the kids v Chippenham in the summer, granted it was 35 degrees, the game stopped each half for water they are absolutely miles off first team football.

    Doherty, the 20,000 signing could only gain 15 minutes for the reserves last night. If any of them want first team, they are going to have to start getting some results!
     
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  14. Mike_Holmes1990

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    Fair points Westy, however what I think many of us making the 'no youngster opportunity' don't understand is why Mings is favoured over Hewitt.

    I have nothing against Marriott being on loan, and his lack of opportunities at Gillingham may suggest he's not ready but earlier in the season when McGoldrick and the team were having a dry spell - Marriott was singled out as having a knack for scoring goals, but not getting opportunities on the pitch.

    Where is Lawerence? I would have expected him at least to be going out on/be made available for loan - if only for his career.

    Could also make the point that why the only money spent this season on a player is not even good enough for the reserves - beginning to look like a very Hourihane / "french red tape kid who's name I cant remember" type signing
     
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  15. itfcptc

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    That's the point Mike. The one that particularly bugs me is why Mings over Hewitt, infact why Chambers over Hewitt, at the start of the season he did no worse than Chambers so you may aswell a RB over a CB at RB. I'm not sure if a great deal of other youngsters are fairing well but it's not as if many of are first team are overly impressing (Hyam, Tabb, Nouble), surely i can't do any harm to at least give them a little game time.

    You say when have we had a chance to play them? but if you go by that we'll need a season where we are neither fighting against relegation nor near the playoffs to play youngsters and that I don't think is gonna happen, we'll never play our youngsters if that's the attitude. Burley and Royle threw them in when we were more in the promotion race and particularly under Burley we had more quality players. I just think Mick is adverse to taking a risk and putting them in
     
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  16. Westlake33

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    &#8216;Where is Lawerence? I would have expected him at least to be going out on/be made available for loan - if only for his career.&#8217;

    Based on what I saw of Lawrence v Chippenham he&#8217;s nowhere near first team level. Too small, too weak, gave the ball away for fun. One of our worst performers that day.

    &#8216;don't understand is why Mings is favoured over Hewitt.&#8217; &#8211; Agree with this, Hewitt looks to have a very bright future, Mings,,,,,,,,,,will take time. If TC is on about Nouble not being coached properly, then Mings under non-league Chippenham etc is going to take time.

    The main issue I think Hewitt has for us at RB, is Cresswell LB. Hewitt is exactly in the same mould for a full back from what I can see as Cresswell. However, having both of them bombing forwards, with both I think being better going forwards than defensively is going to create an issue for the CB and CM to cover. I would imagine should Cressy go in the summer, and I think for all the world he will, Hewitt will play 46/46 if fit at RB next season for sure.

    From my point of view, until the CM becomes a very very strong unit, Hewitt and Cressy together is questionable. I think this is Mick&#8217;s thinking too. Also, he tried Hewitt first 5 games, and we lost 4 of them in ultimately our worst form of the season. We&#8217;re now 5 points off the play offs, had we opened with 8 points from 15, we&#8217;d be joint 6th now.

    With Wigan winning last night, and Reading the other day the play offs do appear to be waning somewhat. We NEED to win at Leicester Saturday ( not that I think we will ) to breathe new light into a ( lets face it now with McGoldrick being out ) very slim shot of the play offs.

    Mick isn&#8217;t without question to me either, though I&#8217;m happy with the transformation since attending the first game at Birmingham.
    &#8226; Nouble I cannot figure out&#8230;..
    &#8226; Taylor &#8211; There must be a bucket load of issues there&#8230;.
    &#8226; Playing the likes of Tabb on the wing when we have more natural options there&#8230;..
    &#8226; Wordsworth in out in out&#8230;.!
    Quite a few others too. Is he even going to be incharge next season? We&#8217;ve heard nothing on this front either way, which is not very helpful.

    For now though, I trust what Mick is doing with the youngsters.
    - Mings will be learning his trade through Cressy/ experienced backline.
    - Marriott has been great on loan in the conference, wasn&#8217;t getting game time at Gillingham. The loan cancelled, sent back and straight in for more 90 minute games.
    - Vaseli getting 90 minutes at Bury, he MAY be like a new signing for next season. Remember he&#8217;s on a 2 year deal.
    - Hewitt is playing regularly only 1 league down at Gillingham. Seems a sensible choice to me.

    Absolutely no idea on any of the other youngsters, however the reserves are getting spanked every week so I don&#8217;t know who is pushing for an inclusion.

    I know what people are saying regarding Burley and Royle shoving youngsters in, however I&#8217;m sure back then we were producing more players with half a chance of doing something.

    Remember, Keane made the superb decision of releasing Klug&#8230;.. We are pushing for cat 1 if I&#8217;m not mistaken too, so it may be another 2/3 years before we see another strong chain of youngsters pushing through.
     
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  17. tractor bhoy

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    I agree with this mainly BUT thats why I dont understand why we dont try 532/ 352 wingbacks.
    we already play 3 CD's and a flying left back, our wingers are rarely out wide and never create anything. We often use 3 CM's in a game. For all the great work MM has done since hes been here then it does irk abit that we havent tried this. Its not a formation that I particularily like but it would seem the obvious choice (to me at least) with our current players. Especially as Edwards should also be able to cover RWB but is shockingly poor at both RW & RB.
     
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  18. Westlake33

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    Yeah 3-5-2 with the players we have does seem a missed opportunity this season under 4-4-2 Mick that's for sure!

    Whatever happened to the team that played the second half at Blackpool away, reverted back to usual next home game :(
     
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  19. WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM

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    :grin:....
     
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  20. WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM

    WEIGHTY CRIMSON PLUM Well-Known Member

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    Couldn't resist sorry Spanish......we have an eight point improvement on last season.....if we repeat that next season we will comfortably make the play offs........but I think automatic promotion is the target play offs is the minimum in my highly respected opinion :grin:
     
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