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  1. Smug in Boots

    Smug in Boots Well-Known Member

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    You've never dealt with a player in that situation so don't pretend you have.
     
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    That's where you are 100% wrong.
     
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  3. Smug in Boots

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    OK so tell me when you've been in that situation and why you're not any longer ...

    ... now that you've put your cards on the table.
     
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  4. Nads

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    I think it’s class seeing a 15 year old get a game for Arsenal.

    They were 4-0 up and coasting, he looked every bit ready to play.

    Saka was only few months older, Rooney too I think, Rigg was younger. Leicester played 2 similar age today.

    Good enough, old enough.
     
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    I can categorically say that i've been involved at clubs where they have a kid who's supremely talented but are unsure if he's ready to play. Dowman has been in and around their first team training for a long time now and extensive discussions and analysis would've taken place. Most clubs have a psychologist who will have input, all the fitness people will have input and the players themselves will have input. It's not like they've dragged him from the u16s to play a PL game, the lad has been playing well beyond his age group for years.
     
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  6. Prehab26

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    I regularly conducted physiological tests for academy and better players to ascertain their V02 Max and ensure that all markers were as they should based on the most accurate measurements possible. Moreover, this always fitted into the player development pathway, including the needs of the player in terms of fitness recommendations and links to nutritionists.

    Hope this is sufficient.
     
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  7. Smug in Boots

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    My point is that Arsenal, as genuine title challengers, should have other players available for those positions ...

    ... if they haven't, why not?
     
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    Just about old enough to remember Rooney breaking on to the scene. 16 year old, taking the piss out of a great Arsenal team. Should be celebrated the type of things just imo, bet his family is buzzing. Good enough for the Prem when doing you GCSE's and already an assist on your record. I was drinking tins of fosters in the woods with me mates when I was 15 haha
     
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    Because Dowman is talented and they wanted to give him minutes when they had the game won

    He isnt going to play loads for them but they'll give him minutes when they see fit
     
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    He'll drop off the bench when Eze comes in
     
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  11. Scout73

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    Exactly, he isnt a key player to him so it's nice to give him minutes every so often

    Dowman is not going to decide whether Arsenal win the league or not
     
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    Even then. The development mentally and emotionally, experiencing this with the support around him, elite levels of human being support.

    He is lucky to have such an opportunity. 99% would kill for it and the population would be better for it.

    Some people literally have no idea what they are talking about.
     
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  13. Smug in Boots

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    We're talking about a player, in a PL title chasing team, who's being asked to play in that game ...

    ... you never had that responsibility.

    You've never dealt with a player in that situation so don't pretend you have.
     
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  14. Prehab26

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    Christ <laugh><laugh><laugh>
     
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    There was no responsibility

    it was 4-0 at home with 25 to go
     
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    They have.

    They also had Martinelli, a Brazilian international, on the bench.

    Just at 4-0 and coasting they clearly seen an opportunity to blood the lad. His confidence will rocket and he potentially grows faster.

    He’s been known and seen as a top level of elite prospect for a while now. Been training with first team squad since last season.
     
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    Ah smug you're embarrassing yourself here but that's no surprise.

    You have no idea what you're talking about
     
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    For reference I have 2 numbers in my phone who have since went onto playing for the best teams and into the CL and had mint careers. I had the chance to do my thing at their start, to help out. I am thankful for that.
     
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    So strange this man, he’s a talented lad who btw looked mint getting a shot at 4-0 up. What’s the issue?
     
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  20. Smug in Boots

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    And my question is, do Arsenal not have other players, who are more likely to need those minutes, than this lad ...

    ... if they don't then I find that strange at the start of a league campaign they're claiming they want to win.

    In which case I'd say they've already failed.
     
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