This game is looking like a "must win" for 'Pool, but I'm finding it difficult to see beyond a Toon win. A loss, and one can readily foresee 'Pool being cut adrift in mid-table obscurity, especially as there is every chance that both Stoke and Sunderland could win their respective games, which could see the Mousers sitting 14th in the table, at the end of the weekend. It's already being predicted by professional pundits, such as Jason Cundy, that 'Pool won't be playing European football next season, or for several seasons to come. It's also been said that they will need to spend big on a striker, in the January transfer window, and yet we all know that their Yank owner has no money to spend (or if he does have the money, he is not prepared to spend it on 'Pool). One cannot help but think that Roy Rodgers' days are well and truly numbered, too. These are dark days, indeed, for 'Pool and the Mousers.
Listening to their ever deluded hoards of glory supporters you would think its the absolute opposite..... `we`ve got some world class youngsters coming through`...... `Roy Rodgers will take us back to the top`.....`we`ll be signing Huntelaar and Walcott in January`..... are just a few examples of the Mouse delusion I have heard recently. The top restaurants that once upon a time Liverpool dined at, have now been replaced by the local chippy. Tell tale signs of Mouser desperation is the constant moaning and whining, it does now seem that the only way they can win games is with the favourable assistance of Referees (or at least it seems as though that is what they are asking for with their whinging comments).
Every single one of those could easily become reality, especially Walcott unless Arsenal make a last minute concession to his demands, or Man City come in for him which I'm hearing could be a possibility, and we are defo after Hunterlaar on a free. Just because you don't like it, and don't believe it doesn't automatically make you right, and all Liverpool fans 'deluded'. Just as many Spurs fans believe you have a chance for 4th over Arsenal, but I don't believe this will happen and think Spurs fans are deluding themselves by thinking this given what happened last year and the fact that you never ever finish above the Goons. However, just as with your opinion regarding Liverpool, this doesn't mean I'm right though does it? We'll have to wait and see in May. Also, on a different note, football clubs the size of Liverpool don't just deteriorate into a irrelevant, unappealing, and unambitious club after just 3 unsuccessful seasons btw, especially when you have a global fan base the size of Liverpool's, and bring in the level of revenue that we do. We've only had 3 poor seasons in the league in the whole of the last decade and been in CL almost every year. Even if you look as far back to the beginning of the Premier League you can count our poor seasons on just one hand. In this time we have also one 14 cups. All this success isnt undone in just 3 seasons. In the grand scheme of things, and in its proper context, 2 seasons finishing outside the top 6 and another coming 6th isn't catastrophic and doesn't suddenly make us a 'small' club. This is why, despite our recent blip, we can still bring in massive kit sponsorship deals and still attract players the calibre of Nuri Sahin. However, if in 5 years time were still around 8th-12th, then all this will be different, but due to our recent history and what we've accomplished (13 trophies since 2000), I think players etc still believe Liverpool are a big club that in a couple of years can be right back where we were in 2009, and have took the first few steps towards achieving this, this Summer. Now, I know how much a few people on here hate us, and are desperate to see us fall deeper and deeper into mediocrity whilst you enjoy watching on from the outside, which is fair enough, thats your decision and choice, but I'm afraid the reality is that for this to happen to a club the size of Liverpool, it will take a lot more and a lot longer than just 3 poor seasons . If we continue to miss out on top 4-6 consistently over the coming years, then eventually you may see Liverpool's stature as a club dwindle, and thus lose a significant amount of our large global fan base, see our very lucrative sponsorship deals shrink down to match those offered to mid-table clubs, and lose our best players whilst no longer being able to attract the type/level of player that we can currently, and would need to attract if were to climb up the table again back into the top 4. However, I and may other LFC fans, see plenty of reasons to be optimistic. We still have bigger and better resources than most teams in the country, like a world class training facility, a fantastic academy system that is starting to feed through several quality footballers with fantastic potential, some of which are already in our first team, FSG giving Rodger's plenty of funds for January if worthwhile deals can be done, and most importantly that we will soon be starting the expansion of Anfield, which is going to massively increase the clubs revenue, which means better players being brought in. Having hope, belief and trust/faith in your club is not 'deluded'. Its what being a supporter is all about. For example,I don't think you lot have got this amazing future of top 4 every year and overtaking Arsenal that some of your fans believe will happen, but that doesn't mean I think, or even that you are, 'deluded'. You have every right to feel like that about your club and in fact, it would be weird if you didn't and felt the opposite! In my opinion, I think 5 years down the line, unless one of us is sold to a sugar daddy, we will be both be at the same level at least. I also believe that starting next summer, Arsenal will start spending lots of the huge amount of money they are making from their Stadium and the CL, which they haven't yet done up to now. I think then they will put distance between you (and Liverpool too) and them, and then every year the top 4 will be both Manc clubs, Chelsea and Arsenal with both of our clubs missing out. Now when you attack my opinion I have just given here because it doesn't fit in with what you believe the future holds for Spurs, and offer what you think will happen with Spurs, I could also respond by ripping the piss and calling you 'deluded' and offering plenty of reasons and evidence as to why this is the case, just like you do with us. However, It doesn't mean its true. Only time will prove us right or wrong. Nothing or no-one else can. The real truth here, is that every fan of nearly every club is 'deluded' when it comes to their own club in some way or another. Its really a meaningless term. Every fan believes there club is the better one and comes up with all kinds of things that show this, whilst at the same time coming up with stuff showing how their rivals are inferior and ignoring everything else that doesn't fit in with their one-sided agenda and what they want to believe. This is why I think its funny when football fans act as they do. We are all hypocrites because we will criticize or take the piss out of a rivals fans for doing or saying something in regards to their club that we don't agree with or think is nonsensical, but then we'll go and say something that seems just as stupid, in regards to our own club and not think anything of it. Like at the beginning of last season a Spurs fan laughed at a Red who thought LFC could get 4th place. That same Spurs fan later started a thread about Spurs challenging for the title which seemed as equally deluded as the LFC supporter believing 4th was doable. Were all deluded to some degree. Liverpool have turned the corner now and I believe the only way is up. We have a young, hungry and talented Coach who likes to play nice football in the right way and we have owners who seen to be in this for the long haul and want success and are finally getting the stadium issue sorted. We have got a group of really talented young players coming through the system and into the first team that will form the nucleus to our team for years to come. Given what Liverpool have been through in the last 3 years on and off the pitch, I can't see why the supporters wouldn't be excited and hopeful now.
Such irony. Coming from the pet Manc, commenting on a link to a Liverpool thread, on the spurs board.
what a load of drivel the reality that the deluded scousers refuse to accept is that they have fallen behind at least 8 clubs in the premiership. Some are still proclaiming their sh1t club to be the biggest club in the country still they haven't been that since the 70s. Now they are not only in mid table mediocrity they are actually fighting relegation. they appointed in Rodgers someone promoted above his competence level. A move they will surely regret. Spurs is well above them in terms of ability and the scousers should be looking to Southampton and QPR as their real rivals. Would you belive that some of the ******s are saying that Suso is as good as Xavi and Shelvey as Iniesta.
Oh great it's you Great post Toela. Quite balanced. It says something that noone has picked a problem with it and are instead flinging dull insults. Also literally no-one I've seen or heard has mentioned Suso or Shelvey in such terms.
That was basically the whole point of Toela's post. Just ignore everything that is there in front of your eyes, ignore everything you disagree with, and fling petty insults. That is what most, though not all (PNP, Yid Vicious) posters do on this thread. No point trying to educate fools.
Lens and Villarreal had a rather rapid descent, too. The answer to your other thread Teola is that a lot of Spurs fans found the reaction of Liverpool fans to finishing outside of the CL places bloody hilarious. There was a whole 'how dare you take our rightful place in that competition' blow up, as if we'd done it just to offend you lot and we had no right to be there. Some of the arrogance was astounding and the assumption that you'd get back in straight away was almost universal. The fact that you hadn't just missed out narrowly and had actually barely held onto 7th place seemed to go straight over loads of your heads. The rise of City didn't seem to worry anyone, for some reason. As for sides dropping away badly after doing well for a while, you may want to look at Aston Villa, who finished above you in that season. They're now utter ****e after making some bad decisions on transfers and appointing the wrong people. It can be a very slippery slope and history is no shield against it. I don't see things going that badly for you, by any means, but it seems like it can happen to virtually any team now.
Toela, I am in awe of your post. Not awe at its breadth of erudition, but in awe of its delusion and arrogance, the two things that I absolutely despise in you Mousers, and the very reason why I started this thread. You are deluded, because you believe that, having been a big club in the 70s and part of the 80s, you are still a big club; and the arrogance arises out of your refusal to accept the fact that you are no longer a big club despite the evidence that is before you. Please, for a few minutes, take a look at your side, ffs! Not one of them would have have made it into 'Pool sides of old. No, not even that buck-toothed geek called Suarez, because (whilst he is, admittedly, a very skillful player), as a striker he is an abject failure in the EPL. Suarez isn't fit to lick Daglish's boots, as a striker, and therein lies your problem - you simply do not have a first XI that can compete in the top 6. You talk about three seasons outside the top 4 "not being a bad thing," but only a deluded, arrogant fool would deny that you are going to finish well outside the top 7 this season (making that a 4th season on the trot), and that you do not have any realistic chance of getting back into the top 4 for a very long time. With no European football to feed your glory-hunting fans on, over the next decade, 'Pool will slip evermore into mediocrity and, eventually, obscurity. I know that this is something that is very painful for you to hear, and that your trigger-happy and deluded mods ban anyone from your board for speaking in such open, frank and honest terms, but please do not shoot the messenger.
How long a timeline do you want for clubs to go from being a dominant force to being an irrelevance? Wolves were the powerhouse of the 50s, Leeds and Forest were powerhouses in the 70s, whilst Man Utd went from winning the European Cup to the second tier within ten years and were irrelevant until Sky came along (which happened to mean Murdoch's 10% investment paid off handsomely...) Also, don't call other sets of fans deluded in the same post when you say Walcott and Huntelaar are likely arrivals to your club. Whilst you may be able to stump up for their wage demands - you were the only club dumb enough to think Joe Cole's demands of £100k per week, a notable increase of the wages he was receiving on the Chelsea treatment table - that doesn't mean anything. After all, how did your summer signings of Gylfi Sigurdsson, Clint Dempsey and Gaston Ramirez work out?
Your stroll down memory lane is all well and good but where are Spurs in that list of relevant clubs?, you bye-passed the 60s which is strange considering that decade was the last that Spurs were a dominant force, well you are basing your comment on clubs that were champions of England aren't you?. So now we've established that Spurs haven't been relevant or a dominant force in England for half a century lets move on to Europe, Spurs have never been dominant in the big cup ever and we were all those years ago in 2005. Yep we're deluded but you lads have lost the plot.
Here's delusion for you. Spurs fans booing AVB because they believe they should be beating Wigan at home.
So the fact that Wolves, Leeds or Forest are usually found outside the top flight was lost on you? Not much of a surprise...
Hey, Mousers! Here's your new reality for you... It's a trip to St James' Park for you, tomorrow, and the Toon are favourites to win If that is not a measure of just how far you have fallen from your heady heights of the dour 70s, then I don't know what is.
It's at Anfield HIAG. Anyway, a lot of you seem to confuse the distinction between 'best' and 'big' clubs. We may not be the best (like yourselves) but we are 'big' - again like yourselves. History is one, but not the only factor.
