Maybe this guy had changed, but it looks like he was targeted specifically in this, so if he was it's because of his past actions, and some twat who maybe thought it was pay back time, and I fully condemn whoever did this by the way! Also the 6 held have been released according to the radio and no further action is expected.
How do you know it was because of past actions? Don't you think that's being a bit presumptious seeing as little to no information has been released? I'd speculate that all of the stuff in the press being bandied around about his "past" has absolutely no connection to anything the police have said on the matter.
Nope I don't think so, he was someone who was known and probably remembered for his actions, and while the police are keeping an open mind on this, it's got to be an obvious avenue for them to explore, they are treating it as murder though, and they are looking for mote than one person I believe , I hope it's on CCTV though and I hope it's not some of our fans at fault in this.
guys it very tragic that he died and i wish it never happen, but most staunch cardiff supporter will know this guy, he was a very active member of the soul crew who encourage and take part in hooliganism and have done for many many years if you were a little older like me or jager you would know how rife hooliganism was years ago, it was a nightmare and you could never take your wife and kids to any match it was that bad, Thank god 99%of hooliganism has ceased and its much safer now but you still have a very small element of hooligans that still persist in EVERY club. cardiff fans know this guy was still very much an active member even though he was in his 40s, my best friend who lives 2 doors away from me knew him well and told me all about him and his gang of thugs. So im saying that as he is sadly died in a confrontation at wembley with welsh fans from north wales that should not happen as they were all there to support the same team then i wont aknowllege a minutes silence for thuggery, i would not support any person from any club anywhere in the world for hooliganism. I Feel sorry for his family and i also feel sorry that he died but thats it....
Obviously it's an avenue to explore, and it's hard to say this without sounding preachy but surely given the severity of the context we should wait before jumping to conclusions? Fair enough if that's how you feel. I still think until all the facts are out we should hold fire on judging the guy though.
we are not judging the guy as we know his reputation, Its sad very sad indeed but these things happen, i hope they get the guy who punched him so we can find out what started the confrontation and im sure the police will soon anyway, I hate surmising anything but just going on his long reputation then you are bound to come to some sort of conclusion,..He might be innocent and these guys picked on him we don know yet. but there is no getting away from the fact that he enjoyed and supported hooliganism. i will stop commenting my views on this now and just say ...RIP it should not have happened...
Aber, the reality is though is dai is entitled to his opinion , and nowhere has he said anything repulsive or sick, just that he wouldn't observe a minute silence if it happened, can I ask you have you observed a minute silence on every Remembrance Day ? A lot of people don't because they can't be bothered, which should sicken people as millions lost their lives to give us our freedoms now. Back to this, do you honestly believe that a lot swans will observe a minute silence for a person who was a football hooligan? And probably caused some of the animosity between the clubs fans over the years ? I think a majority of our fans will be sickened by what has happened myself included, and will feel regret that this occurred at all, and genuinely feel sorry for his family, but he was not a supporter of our club, Cardiff City are doing something I believe and maybe the next welsh national game it could happen for a minute silence. Can I ask though, did you and cardiff city observe a minute silence for Coles ?
While I can't say I observe a minutes silence every remembrance day, if I was somewhere with an organised minutes silence I'd always observe it out of respect. In response to people asking when I became mod, it was this week. Mabon has disappeared and Phil isn't about that much, and someone has to deal with that Papa Shango idiot.
Not having a go mate, but you are contradicting yourself here, remembrance day is the biggest organised minute's silence in the world, we all know when it's at, or should know ! And I by the way always remember out of respect. But this is about a minute silence at our game, a team who this guy didn't even support, I understand that the swans sent their respects to Cardiff City, and that today donny and them will hold a minute silence and wear black arm bands, and have invited mikey's family to attend, that for me is appropriate and should be the end of what should be done.
I understand why you think that's a contradiction, but the difference would be that Dai originally said he "wouldn't observe one" which to me anyway, implied that if there was one going on he'd still turn to his mate and talk, which I thought very disrespectful, whereas my point was if I was working or in a situation whereby it had been brought to my attention then I'd always observe it. The only reason I said "I can't say I observe it every time" was because my memory fails me, and I wouldn't like to claim that I have in the past in case I'd be lying. Agreed about the minutes silence at Donny being appropriate.
totally agree with Dai on this one, you live by the sword and die by the sword, unfortunately he died
Well said dude. And now that the minutes silence is also for Brendans' father, there is no reason for numpties like this to interrupt a minutes respect
There is no minute silence for either according to the official website, the players will wear black armbands for both. But calling someone a numpty because they have an opinion on this, lessons your opinion as it shows you can't debate without name calling, how old are you ?
You're right about the minutes silence, I read that wrong. I used the word numpty because I don't even consider this worth debating. I think anyone who thinks a good way of pointing out their views about hooliganism, is by refusing to respect a minutes silence, is a numpty. You are entitled to your opinion, but I think disrespecting a mans death is not a good way to put your views across.
Aber I am not siding with anyone, I just think on this subject that dai has a right to say his opinion, you have opinions about the armed forces I have seen on here being commented on last couple of days, I ain't seen those comments, nor will I go through your posting history, but you have an opinion on it, if you want to air them that is up to you, as long as it keeps to the discussion being talked about. I strongly disagree with Dai about Huw, but do I say he shouldn't comment ? Things do get heated with the discussions at times, but I know dai can take it as in debate, the same as I can take it off him. So let's just say that what is being done is appropriate by both clubs in regards to this, and let it be! Dai has said he passes on his condolences on this to mikey's family, and that for me is fine!
I am sorry I can't see any disrespect on this from myself or Dai, we have both are sickened by mikey's untimely death, we have both said that we hope the perpetrators of this crime are convicted, and both have put reasoned reasons why we think that a minutes silence should not be observed at Swansea City. I am glad that the club he supported is doing it's bit , and equally I would be happy for Wales to do their bit in time, I am completely gutted that a welsh fan has died going to watch a game of football, I sometimes go to Wales games and quite possibly brushed shoulders with him over the years, thinking about myself and my family I have 2 daughters aged 11 & 1 what would happen if one day daddy didn't come home from a game ? Mikey was just 2 years older than me, to young to die by anyone's reckoning !
why pay respect and show support for hooliganism.......and just to clear one thing up, If there were to be a one minute silence then i would not start talking at all i would just not recognize the minute silence and you can bet others wont as well and as for aber saying he was not a hooligan is totally rubbish, he and his cronies only went to away matches with the soul purpose of causing trouble, he obviously dont know him, well i do know someone who knew him very well........down with hooliganism and shame on anyone who supports it......
Can't comment on that aber as I didn't know him or his family, but the gutter press has had a field day I see on your forum, I never read their ****e papers mate, but they have brought the mud up and his family will have grievance against them, I can't speak for dai on his comments, only to say he has a right to make his views on here if he wishes. If he crosses the line like some have, yes he deserves his comments to be deleted, but I don't see that on this thread.
