does anyone know if there is to be a minute silence at the Arsenal game. After all Mikey Dye was a Welsh football fan and followed his country with pride around europe. we are representing WALES in the prem so it should only be fitting to have a minutes silence.
I hope they do it, no one should ever go to a football match and not go home, very sad news and after all we are a Welsh team and the opposition have got Wales captain in their team.
now im going to be controversial here......first of all im sorry that the guy died and it took one punch that sent him reeling down some steps and he had a heart attack, now this guy was no angel he was one of the leaders of cardiff's hooligan element called the soul gang, he was known as a thug by many even the police and on many many times bragged of his conquests all over the country.....so while he was happy to cause trouble wherever he went he comes under the term of fight by the sword you die by the sword, this is what happens when you are a hooligan. Yes im sorry the lad died but come on to have a minute's silence is for the club to glorify hooliganism. I feel sorry for his family but for the lad then it was bound to happen one day by the way he ran his life.....
yes there should in respect to his family he didnt go there for trouble. everbody was young once and done stupid things but he might regret what he done in his past. doesnt not mean he deserved to die. only ****'s and rapists derserve that punishment.
It would be a nice touch but I cannot see it happening personally, but it has to be a shoe in at the next Welsh game.
but as welsh football was getting better on the pitch. why would fans know go and watch wales knowing that they might not come home as these kind of people should be put away for along time
i will not stand there respecting a minute's silence for a known hooligan who took pleasure is bragging about how he and his cronies took pleasure of going to away matches specifically to cause trouble, my best friend who is a cardiff fan knew him well and his long reputation. he was not a kid by any means but he was one of the leaders of the soul crew. I'm sorry he died but thats what happens, I'm so glad there was not any swans fans who was involved, it was welsh fans from north wales.......I will not support hooliganism in any shape or form.....
Even if the guy has done what you say he has done, death is not a fair punishment. If he had committed crimes as a hooligan he should have been arrested and charged, and if he wasn't, then that is something that needs to change. I could understand if you were questioning the policing of 'a known hooligan', as you put it, but to suggest he deserved to die because of the way he leads his life is ludicrous. A minutes silence would mark a very sad day in Welsh football, and would pay respects to his grieving family. It would not glorify hooliganism, but it might highlight the fact that it is still a part of the game, and needs to be dealt with. If you will not respect a minutes silence at the Emirates, what are you going to do? Boo?
It is a morale dilemma. In one respect a man has died and has left behind a grieving family, for that sad fact to pay respects would be in order BUT if he did indeed have a long active life in the Soul Crew, does that person himself (or herself) deserve the respect of law abiding citizens? Had he been run over by a bus on any day when he was not attending a football match, would people be suggesting a gesture of some sort at a football match? The answer would be - no, he would have been just another road fatality statistic. To my mind, in this case, I am with Superswan99. I do not think a minutes silence, applause or whatever would be appropriate under the circumstances, only because of his past actions.
I don't think we should have a minute silence for this guy, he was not a fan of our club, we do not represent Wales in the premier league, we are a welsh club playing there and we represent Swansea City and that is all. If for example he was a gunners fan, would you expect Chelsea to observe a minute's silence ? I think we should leave it to Cardiff City to do what they think is appropriate in this matter. My opinion is that all football hooligans are scumbags, and should not be allowed at games full stop! But there has got to be a point where someone is given a chance to redeem themselves, perhaps Mikey had changed his spots ? And no matter who it is, they don't deserve to die in this way attending a game of football, there are enough crap in the world without this happening at a game of entertainment.
I missed Dai's comments because my internet wasn't working last night and to be honest they make me feel a little ill. They don't seem to have been picked up by anyone yet but if someone wants them removed tell me and I will. Edit: Also, to not allow for a minutes silence "because of past actions". So no one is above forgiveness? Seems a bit harsh to me.
Dai didn't say it wasn't appropriate. He said he wouldn't 'stand there respecting a minutes silence'. Even if you agree with his ridiculous view about hooligans, the thought of not respecting a minutes silence is abhorrent, and I can't believe any one with a brain can agree with him about that.
If a Chelsea fan died at an England game, I would expect a minutes silence at Arsenal. To say he wasn't a fan of our club, so we shouldn't have a minutes silence, is almost as ******ed as hooliganism itself.
Why ? This guy has no connection to our club at all, we are not representing our country in the premier league there is a distinction here, this guy probably was causing trouble at our games, should we then have a minute silence who had absolutely no respect for our club ? The ******ed thinking is the one where we should consider this ! Don't get me wrong here I am profoundly sorry the guy died at a game and his family are the ones who are going to suffer for this, if there was a minute silence at the next home Wales game maybe so.
Why shouldn't we though? Surely, considering this happened at a game in Wembley involving Wales and England (and as such was about as "high-visibility" as a game gets) then I'd say it wouldn't be unfitting to have a minutes silence up and down the country. I doubt they'll do it, but I think it'd be a nice touch, and I don't see the need to be shouting down the idea.
Scottswan as someone who has run many forums in one capacity or another, I disagree with your thoughts on censorship, dai is entitled to his opinion on here and on this subject, I disagree strongly with dai on certain subjects, but always respect the fact that he has his point of view. If you are going to delete comments because you don't agree with with POV there is no hope for this forum as you are moderator of this section, this is not the BBC with their anonymous moderation this is not606 and unless it's blatantly obvious it should be deleted like that idiot who said he (Mikey) deserved to die it should stay IMO , wums who come here should be treated in the contempt they deserve though!
Have I deleted anything? I've been asked by people to outright delete things, which I as of yet have never done. I've edited things which I thought were particularly sick, and could cause offence to people who know Mike Dye, and since it's come to light that he had an online "presence" on football forums, the chance for someone with a personal connection to him to see something completely inappropriate and offensive is very high. I still, on a personal level, really dislike Dai's comments. Saying you'd purposely ignore a minutes silence, and saying how observing one is "glorifying hooliganism" is ludicrous, but as you say, everyone is entitled to their opinions. I maintain though, if it is offensive to someone (which I think it is pretty much a cert to be) then I will remove it.
Scottswan, the decision by dai not to observe a minute's silence is up to him, he has clearly said the reason why and it's to do with this persons connections to football hooliganism in the past, for me I can see his POV on this, as I stated I think ALL these people who are hooligans are scumbags, I used to work with someone who was a high profile soul crew member, I told him bluntly my thoughts on his past, he has grown up and has kids and is regretful for his actions and hasn't caused problems in the last 10 years or so. The point is I am not agreeing with dai on his decision should a minute silence happen, just I can see why he is thinking that, but to be blunt here, there is no way swans fans will observe a minute silence at our games, it could happen at an international game though.
I know man, that's his perogative. It just strikes me as "one rule for them and one for everyone else", that's all, which I don't like. Obviously, what I don't like is my opinion so has **** all bearing on anything, but personally I'm a big believer that anyone can change.
