Mafia 4

I would suspect journalist is correct because they've used their one hack. Presumably they only get one hack. So Journalist should be trustable now.

Both Mafia would have to come forwards as freemasons together- otherwise the real freemasons could identify him as a fraud. Should be easy at that point. We would have two freemasons and two mafia pretending to be freemasons. Kill one- if he's guilty kill his partner. If the first one is town- we know to kill the other pair of freemasons.

 

Possible. If someone else gets recruited we know you were right. Otherwise no reason to believe that has happened.

 

right, im going to bed guys.

See you in the morning

 

Yeah but then would get assassinated, and we lose a daily dose of "are you a mafioso" at 10am...

I think we keep the roles secret for now, time is on our side. Mafia HAVE to kill the journalist soon, and have 1 in 5 chance of guessing right. Every day the journo could potentially finger a mafioso, and we get to lynch someone with a 2 in 7 chance of them being mafia.

If the masons revealed themselves it would make the odds 1 in 3 for mafia to find the journo, and 2 in 5 to find mafia, but only if no mafia were recruited as the 3rd mason and is playing both sides.

 

Worst case scenario if everyone who had town role came out and then all agreed to vote as one unit.

I'd suggest each day we let Sir Tennisball pick a target from the 4 unknown people- and everyone agree to go with his suggestion and kill them off one at a time.

Day 3 (Now) There are 5 known Innocent. 2 Town 2 Unknown Mafia
If Known innocents band together and lynch someone- worst case we kill a regular townie.
Mafia assassinates our Journalist.

Day 4 starts: 4 known innocent. 1 Town 2 Unknown Mafia
Night 4 worst case scenario: We lynch the last regular townie
They kill a mason.

We then start day 5 with 3 known innocent 2 known Mafia
Worst cast Night 5: Lynch Hacker. They assassinate the other Mason

Day 6: 2 known innocent 1 assassin.
Obviously we kill the assassin.



If everyone throws their cards on the table town has won (barring any unknown twists). Does anyone disagree with my logic?
If we all come forwards- and the Known Innocents in town all vote together every night- barring any unknown twists- even if Mafia kill off the journalist and then the Masons, myself, and cop one by one at night... we've won!

 

I think we've won the game if we all come out. Only thing Mafia can do to throw spanner in the works is if they come out and claim to be Masons. Then we have to pick which set of masons to believe.



Only way town can lose the game now (other than some strange twist we don't know about) is if the known town don't reveal themselves OR don't all vote as a block. If we all out ourselves and agree to target whoever Sir Tennisball picks (from the 4 remaining people) we've won the game.

 

Mafia can lie. Throw things into confusion. I've got a few theories that I'll reveal when I'm off work at 10 or 11 EST (3-4 AM GMT). If the journalist corroborates my story then we will have more information. I don't have time right now. Its pretty long.

 

Only 2 mafia left. How could they lie that made a difference? Take the freemason route.

They couldn't have only one pretend to be freemason. Otherwise the two real freemasons would back each other up and point the finger at the fake.
If both mafia claimed to be freemasons... that would be their best bet- but that way we'd have two sets of twos against each other. If we got the wrong set the first night- we kill the other set the next night.


They can't pretend to be the journalist because the journalist would publish an article announcing who they were.

 

Unless he is in jail- I would suggest the journalist out himself before 10am and the next newspaper- that way he can back himself up BEFORE the next lynch. If the journalist is in jail- we already know who he is because there will be no paper.

 

I would say- the only wrinkle in my plan would be if Hacker could hack the journalist more than once.

OP says Journalist updates security after being hacked. It is possible that just like I got more bullets, the hacker could learn to hack the paper after "x" number of nights for a second time.

So I would say if two people claim to be the journalist today- we go after the other 3 targets first- leave figuring out who is the phony journalist until the very end. That way- we're still guaranteed to win!

 

FYI... if they lied and claimed to be a Journalist... even if they get one more hack... town still wins:

So worst case scenario if they claim to be journalist.


Night 3. We Lynch Town. They Assassinate a mason (they can't assassinate journalist without us knowing who the fake is)

Day 4. Cop alive, Vig alive, one mason alive, one townie alive, two people claiming to be journalist alive, one mafia alive.

Night 4. We lynch the other townie they assassinate the other mason

Day 5 Cop alive, Vig alive, two people claiming to be journalist alive, one mafia alive- at this point he's known

Night 5 We lynch the known mafia- they kill the journalist (or cop, or me... all the same)

Day 6. Cop Alive, Vig alive, one last mafia who would now be known alive.

We win lynch on night 6 2 vs 1.

 

So what if they lied and claimed to be masons?


Day 3. Cop alive, Vig alive, Journalist alive, TWO KNOWN townies alive, FOUR PEOPLE claiming to be masons- each with a partner.
Night 3. We Lynch a Mason. They kill the journalist

Day 4. Cop alive, Vig alive, one known mason alive, two known townies alive, two known mafia alive.

Night 4. We lynch a mafia- they assassinate the cop.

Day 5 Vig alive, mason alive. two known townies alive. one known mafia alive
Night 5 We lynch the last mafia




No matter how the Mafia Lie- we have a guaranteed win for town. The only way Mafia could win is if TennisBall's theory about Mafia being able to switch roles before lynch was correct. If so they'd get a recruit.

I tend to doubt they'd be that over-powered though.

 

An alternative suggestion if people are squeamish about revealing their roles... go back 360 to Gerrez's suggestion day 1. Let the cop pick who we all vote for.

If he picks you and you're a townie... too bad. Take one for the team. (sorry) Don't claim to be a special role or you blow the strategy.

If he picks you and you're a special role- announce your role. We have ways of verifying it. Masons can vouch for each other- journalist has paper and they can't hack it two days in a row (probably can't hack it again).

If he picks you and you're Mafia- you'll no doubt claim to be journalist, or mason... we can verify either.


This method requires town to have discipline and accept being killed. As long as they do... we win.



It's not as foolproof a method as everyone revealing your roles... there might be ways for Mafia to win if we picked that method... but it will still put us as almost certain favourites to win. My other way guarentees we win... this way only suggests we might.

 

1,000% guilty as ****!!!

 

Must be anyone working with greez is guilty #byassociation

He's fn haunting me in purgatory

 

I always said u was guilty

 

I'm not 100% convinced milk...

What if one of the mafia claims to be journo, and one innocent. Especially in light of the potential hacking attempt, it would be a risk to believe the newspaper 100%. But even without that, it would be four known innocents, cop vigilante and 2 masons, vs 5 unknowns, 2 journos and 3 innocents.

We might still win depending on how the lynching goes but its risky, especially if they win a coin toss shootout.

 

Another big risk is that we have a few players who have hardly posted lately. If even one of them does not post their role in time we're screwed...

 

I'm going to wait until the newspaper comes out to really think about what to do. I don't think Journo revealing themselves when recruiter or assassin are possibly out there is a good idea. So if the rest of us decide to reveal our roles it will automatically leave them at risk of being mistaken for Mafia or simply revealed to the mafia via process of elimination.

In fact, don't reveal your roles at all. It only helps Mafia learn who to target.

 

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