the comment about the 30 stone woman being disabled raises issues,obesity is not a disability its called being a greedy fat git.i love the paralympics as these people show some able bodied people who moan and groan about anything that life is too short to wollow in self pity.
I am not having a go at disabled people in general, only self inflicted cases I do not agree with the Paralympics though, that is my opinion. Does not mean I am right but I dont care If somebody hops 100 meters in 30 seconds without falling over, so furkin what
Complex answer but here it is in the most simple form. We live in a free democracy where people have the right to determine their own future - autonomy. The price of that is that some people abuse the system either intentionally by fraudulently claiming benefits they are not entitled to or unintentionally by not looking after themselves by over eating, smoking etc. How can the state legislate for every circumstance? For example, if you stop treating overweight people with arthritis drugs (a popular idea amongst some Daily Fail readers no doubt) are you going to stop setting the bones of people who jump out of aeroplanes for charity? Both are avoidable and cost the NHS money despite the higher motivation of one. There was a historical experiment (one of many really) where 'great' leaders tried such legislation but by 1945, it was considered by most to have been a malevolent blot on the historical landscape and a massive failure. What we have in the UK is not perfect but it is a lot better than many of the alternatives. Just my opinion, of course, which, thankfully, I am entirely permitted to have.
Not what you said on the last page. I could go and get the quotes but I couldn't be arsed. You seem to have a problem with people with disabilities. Some of them are on benefits because its actually physically impossible for them to work. If you take away their benefits as you suggest, what do you do with them then? Put them down?
You dont get it do you Why you are suggesting that I have said that a lot of these people should not get any benefits only you could do You see a post and go away into your own fantasy land
Okay, you made me go and get the quotes. FFS! The first one is in reference to the athletes at the P Olympics. The second one was in reference to Perv's statement that he works with disabled people in Peru and that he finds them to be extraordinary people. And I just threw in the third because I'd like you to explain why these games should be banned. In your own time Andy.
It's all right Thicker, sounds like she will be dead soon, then you can dance around your living room free of another burden on your hard earned cash. Most of that money she spends on ***s is recycled as tax by the way. Your wife sounds like a compassionate woman, maybe that's why she's with you. And if you are earning less than £1400 a month, you ain't paying much tax anyway.
Alright mate, I'll leave people to judge your comments for themselves. As an aside, if I had of said half of what you said above, the usual suspects would be out banging their drums and screaming for me to be banned immediately. Yet there's no sign of them on this thread. Interesting that. (P.S. Andy, empty your fu*king INBOX. You can't receive any messages cos its full up.)
I hope you are right why you think I might want to dance round my living room I dont know My wife is a compassionate woman and also very stupid to care about her fat friend
The question is - is the fat woman suffering from a deep psychological infirmity that gives her a compulsive need to eat fattening food and smoke lots (at least she doesn't drink, apparently) or is she weak-willed, self-indulgent and irresponsible? I doubt anyone will find the answer.
put it this way the last time she lied down on the beach, someone called the RSPCA to get her rescued
It's worth pointing out that there has been a complaint from a regular and respected poster about the glibness of some of the responses to the inspirational nature of Sooper's OP. The complainant wasn't Sooper but he can't have been happy to see his message turned over in the way it has been. So on behalf of the board, I apologise Sooper. I for one join you in celebrating the supreme efforts of athletes who, were it not for their bloody-mindedness, willingness and determination to compensate for their reduced abilities by actively going out of their comfort zone to make something of their lives. Better what they do than simply vegetate at the expense of others in the way Andy's fat lady does. I'm sure we all know of people like that: mindless wastrels whose very sub-existence has the potential to turn the likes of us perfect souls into a herd of sanctimonious Victor Meldrews! Believe me, on the back of a lifetime of do-gooding and empathy, I'm no better than Andy when it comes to deriding the spongers. (My neighbour's on the sick, hasn't done a day's work in living memory and somehow end's up with a new car and all the bits - and the house on the hill I've long since coveted but could never afford at my time in life, has been occupied for the past seven years by a woman on benefits with six kids!) However, I'm equally sure that such wasters are not the kind that Peruvian and many like him, see the need to tirelessly care for and support down south. His point is that behind the admirable paralympians Sooper applauds here, are masses of people around the world with similar conditions but without the necessary support structures. These people haven't a hope in hell of hauling themselves into a position that provides what we'd call a reasonable standard of life. It's interesting to see this thread posing the question, should we be saying about people with physical and/or mental disabilities, '**** 'em I'm alright Jack'; or rather the acknowledgement 'there but for the grace of God go I'? We have to remember that our much admired social welfare state wasn't set up to accommodate wastrels but simply as a means to stem the tide of abject (Victorian-esque) poverty by ensuring that we all have a right to basic education, health and thereby the means to support ourselves. The wastrels are the inevitable parasites that latch onto any positive development. So what should we do about these scroungers who feign disability for a 'living'? Well, for me, there's nothing in the concept of a social welfare system that espouses free money. The notion is both repugnant and spells all the wrong messages. It's in the implementation that we've gone wrong, doling out money unconditionally. There are many areas of life (especially environmental house-keeping) that need constant attention where there is little profitable incentive to do so, e.g. beaches, sewers, filthy tube tunnels and so on. For those of us who need money from the state to survive, surely a few hours a week contributing to such projects in ways our bodies or brains are able, would do much to resolve sooooo many of our current issues. Andy's fat lady could start by making the tea for those doing the labour for instance; and that ****ing woman in my house on the hill could look after people's kids while their parents are on community duty... All sounds workable to me. What d'you mean the government think it'd be an administrative nightmare to organise? I just do not believe it!!!!
I'll openly admit to being irritated by the fact that when I say something out of order, I get bashed from pillar to post (justifiably in most cases) yet Andy has been allowed say some quite outrageous things on this thread and not one of those same PC crusaders have uttered as much as a syllable of discontent on this thread. What would have been the reaction if I had said the very same things he has said? There'd be bloody murder that's what.
