I dont like how...

I dont like the way that, since these racism claims came out, every one seems to have automatically come out in support of the accuser, or almost every one.


I admit I haven't seen the TV footage, but I strongly believe that John Terry is innocent.


I know this needs to be investigated, but I think it has been blown out of proportion in the media. This whole situation should be managed in private, for Terry and Ferdinand's sake.


Suddenly we have all this talk about English football being racist when it is not. Incidents like this are rare, and for all we know, they may be innocent.


I have shared this on the Liverpool board because of the Suarez and Evra issue, which is where the row started.


And please be aware that I am not saying Anton Ferdinand is lieing. This could all just be a huge miss understanding. I dont mean any offence to any one.



(Ok my connection to the QPR board didnt work, can any one help? What did I do wrong?)

 

The evidence for John Terry being racist is much clearer. There is video evidence that he clearly said something along the lines of 'you black ****' though it could be 'you blind ****'..

 

Its pretty safe to say that JT who has captained multi-racial sides, for club and country, for many years now, would have been unearthed as a racist long ago were it true!. The allegation is barmy and is being driven by the media, for reasons known only to them. The upset at QPR was born of frustration due to the shortcomings of an inadequate referee. It should never have happened, and as captain he should have risen above it , but racism??? 100% NO!

 

Exactly and that is why evra and ferdinand should be bollocked anyway.

 

What has Anton Ferdinand actually said, because I'm under the impression that this was started by people seeing some thing on TV.

 

Sorry my mistake, the terry one was started after comments on the net.

Just Evra that needs bollocking then.

 

But has Ferdinand said any thing? Because he could end this whole thing in a second.

Also, why is the Terry one being investigated by the police and Suarez by the FA?

 

Dont think ferdinand has said anything publicly but has (or will) prob need to speak to the police.

The police are investigatint the terry one because member of public made a complaint to them about it.

 

Ok I suppose thats ok.

 

I see fabregas has also been accused of racim towards Kanoute, this really is getting stupid now. Suarez is apparently racist and called evra the n word over 10 times even though no one else heard nothing, terrys apparently racist and called ferdinand a b.... c... yet ashley cole was right there and heard nothing and now fabregas is apparently racist although about 5 other players were there in the bust up and heard nothing.

 

Definitely agree about people jumping to conclusions and proclaiming people guilty without knowing all the facts. Add to that the Terry complaint coming from a third party, and it seems more like people trying to create controversy. You'd think if Ferdinand had heard it and considered it racist, it would have been reported during or after the match to officials.

 

QPR fan in peace, so please - none of the "get back to your own board" comments please.....

Don't want to stir anything up, but is it a racist slur simply because it was heard? And if it wasn't heard, then it isn't racist or offensive? Calling someone a f****** black c*** is racist in the extreme, whether or not the intended recipient heard it or not. It's the action and intent, not the effect, that is important here.

I posted yesterday a link to an article where Ferdinand's version of events is explained: that he didn't hear Terry saying it at the time, and certainly didn't challenge Terry about what he said (and John Terry himself admits using the phrase). Then Terry talks in the dressing room to Ferdinand, asking if "We're OK with each other", and Ferdinand, not hearing the comments on the pitch, says he didn't understand what he was going on about, but replied with a "yeah, I guess so...". According to Ferdinand, it was only afterwards that he heard about the incident, watched the video, spoke to his team-mates, and discovered what had been said to him. He then spoke with the club over the following days, resulting in the official complaint. In the meantime, someone in the crowd put in a separate complaint to the Met, and they started their own investigation.

That would explain why it wasn't reported to the officials during or after the game.

But as I also said yesterday - it's down to the FA to decide, having heard all the evidence. Let's wait for them to judge this. However, if they DO find Terry guilty, I hope that this time, the punishment is enough of a deterrent to stamp out this kind of thing for good.

 

The stupidest thing about the whole thing is Ferdinand is not even black

 

Also a QPR fan in peace. I really wish this hadn't blown up at all. I'd much prefer everyone to still be talking about a good old fashioned London derby!! I'm not convinced that Terry was being racist in this incident. The only puzzlement is that Ferdy says there was no discussion on the pitch whilst Terry says there was and that he was telling Ferdy that he wasn't calling him a "****ing B**** C*** in response to Ferdy's accusation that he was!! I hope this all gets sorted out quickly and that we can all get back to the football, although this is the FA we're talking about!!
Finally, I don't like the way most people seem to imply that Terry is already guilty, saying things like "if he is found guilty" etc. He is very much innocent UNTIL found guilty!!

 

I'm really not comfortable with our fans trying to compare the Suarez and Terry situations. Terry was clearly seen on the telly mouthing something that looked extremely close to "black". Nothing of the sort happened to Suarez, he was just accused in public by Evra of being racist, who was so outraged by Suarez calling him the N-word 10+ times that he didn't even report it to the referee in the middle of the game.

The burden of proof is on Evra, in this case, and if he cannot prove that Suarez said anything racist then he's leaving himself open to be sued by Suarez for slander.

 

Col, my concern is that if he's found guilty (note the underline, so no assumptions here) he may well jsut get a slap on the wrist and told not to say it again. This is the FA we are talking about after all.

Whatever the outcome of this matter, there's no place for racism in football or in any other stream of life, and it needs dealing with.

 

He won't go to the Euros, and rightly so, if he's found guilty IMO. The problem is actually proving that he's guilty, Busquets CLEARLY called Marcelo a monkey when Barca played Madrid, but he said he had said something else, that sounded similar, and he got away without a punishment, even though everyone knew he was guilty.

 

QPR fans don't have to say QPR fan in peace. I meant to put this on your board to, but it didn't work.

I think the media just like making Terry, and the FA look bad. If it wasn't for the media Terry would not be seen as 'controversial' as he is any way.

 

I personally think the reason they're reporting on this is because Terry was caught on camera mouthing something that looked racist, not because they have a particular enjoyment in making him look bad. And I don't see how you can blame the media for Terry's reputation, the media don't force him to shout and get in referees faces, the media didn't force him to sleep with his best mates childs mother and the media didn't tell him to abuse American tourists a day after 9/11.

 

Would you care to list Steven Gerrards faults/ mis-demeanours?

John Kinsella and Marcus McGee might do for starters...

No one is perfect Raul and your glass house is as equally vulnerable to stones as ours.