Hello, I study sports management and football studies and am in my final year at university. I am currently doing my final assignment and could do with some assistance. My question is; To what extent is hooliganism a problem for football clubs based in London. It would be very appreciative if you could take a few minutes to fill in my questionnaire to aid my research. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/SNV9WFL Thanks.
It's probably obvious, but the survey should perhaps say on it that you can tick more than one box. When I first read it I thought it was talking about/restricting responses to a single act. You've also restricted the number of people that can be specified as taking part. There have been many occasions (in the bad old days anyway) when more people would have been involved than the maximum number you allow.
You shouldn't assume that my supported club had any part to play in the hooliganism I've seen. I see far more foolball matches from other clubs than I do Spurs (meaning I go to a stadium to watch other teams - not watch them on the TV) If you're trying to define hooliganism, it's always meant football related violence to me. No mention of alcohol surprised me. It's still the overwelming factor, in my opinion. In fact I'd go as far as to say hooliganism is dead and what we have now is alcohol fueled angst. Just because someone is wearing a football shirt, doesn't mean their actions can be classed as hooliganism. Just put my name down as Mr Inda on your assignment and you'll do OK
Thanks for the feedback, I have made changes to make it clearer for the mulitple choice questions. I have made many referneces in the essay on basis that hooliganism was much worse during the 70's and 80's. Based my questionnaire its trying to find out modern hooliganism but without completely ruling out the era when it was at its worst. I will be able to make comparisons based on the findings linking the options together. Again with the alcohol it is in the body of the essay, and I have researched many different writers on what is determined by the phrase 'hooliganism' and am searching to find what the general football fans believe.
Completely agree with this, although I'm not sure it was always the case. I don't think the 70s hooliganism I experienced needed alcohol, it was at least as much to do with pure tribal hatred. People commenting on the problems we see now need to get some perspective on how much things have improved. Also never understood why alcohol creates the sort of problems it does in this country when it doesn't in others. It's almost as if the alcohol is an excuse for the behaviour we see.
It may not be the whole answer, but I think the problem is not so much the alcohol itself, but more in the amount of it. Alcohol is quite normal here in Spain, but in general, it is not consumed as regularly, or in the quantities that the Brits seem to imbibe it.
Yes., very well SD., but by the same token, I wouldn't want to be treated by a student either. I do hope you've done your bit to help out the young man.
Has to be the culture also, as in the UK, there is a large section of society that see Alcohol as a way to get " tanked up" fuel their night out and turn them into a different person, makes them confident which is why its associated with hooligans and idiots at football. Beer - Slags - football - fights. An ideal night out for your local thug who thinks hes cool for running onto a pitch and making a V sign!
I did indeed. Gave him the benefit of my exposure to hooliganism in the late 70's. Only ever saw it when I was dragged unwillingly along to an Arsenal end of season game by my Gooner cousins. As it kicked off, it cost me all my pocket money for them not to expose me as Spurs fan!!
Milwall are "credited" with starting the whole hooliganism thing off. Early to middle sixties when it started. They began by attacking the Plymouth Argyle coach - complete with all the players on board. After that, to express their displeasure at the way the team was performing, or the way the club was being run, the mob would pop down to Mickey Purser's ( the then chairman) car showroom and do all the windows in. It just sort of escalated from there. Beforehand, up until the mid sixties, spectators were allowed to stand anywhere in the ground. It was normal for them to mingle together - there was never any real trouble.
I've seen the Millwall mob being called The Bushwackers, I remember it as F-Troop, they also had Treatment on the dugout side, a handful of loons in surgical masks. Clashes with the hammers ICF was....interesting to put it mildly!
Sometime in the mid seventies, I was driving home from my then work, when I came across the bridge by New Cross gate Station. I couldn't take in what was happening! It was unbelievable - like a ****ing war zone! People kicking **** out of each other in the middle of the New Cross Road, etc. it turns out that Milwall were playing Man Utd in a cup game that evening. The Millwall mob knew they would have to come into that station - they waited for them, and then "bushwacked" them.
Theo Paphitis was Chairman of Millwall in the mid nineties to 05. He tried to improve the image but gave up by swapping one Den for another...joining the Dragons instead.
I've often wondered how it is that Americans, who have always killed each other in record numbers as private individuals, turn into a flock of lambs when gathered in a group to watch a game, while everywhere else you get the reverse effect; that is, people who are more or less civil as individuals feel license to act violently when in a crowd. It does have something to do with American policemens' penchant for shooting to kill to nip violence in the bud, or just to pass the time.
Hooliganism through the early 70's was at a pandemic level. Matches at Spurs were generally not too bad, except for the London derbies generally. Worst ones I remember were actually the Spammers and the Chavs, rather than the Goons. Travelling away was a nightmare wherever we went - some close calls at Burnley and Derby and I remember an away FAC replay at Forest where the locals took delight in ambushing Spurs fans on the Trent Bridge and throwing them over!!! The Old Den was a frightening place - if you managed to actually get to and from the ground in one piece, you had to run the gauntlet down a passageway to the 'away' section, where the locals would delight in dropping large lumps of concrete on you!!! Things have improved......
