General Election 2019

It is well known that former members of BNP, NF etc have been involved with the Brexit party. They even had to sack one of their regional organisers when his past affiliations were made public. This is where the extreme right wing are now hiding in British politics.

 

It is incitement to use words like betrayal SH. We are talking about a political process in which everyone is entitled to their opinion - remainers were quite legitimate in saying that there was no clear plan for Brexit, and that there were different versions of it - from the Norway model right through to yours. They are also legitimate in questioning whether the ''will of the people'' (it never was that, but I condescend to using your terms) is still so over 3 years later. Use of the word betrayal to describe such actions is firstly inaccurate, and secondly incendiary - it would not lead to violence in your case, but it does for others. Right wing attacks in Germany get a hell of a lot of publicity - more than their worth. Generally attacks on foreigners are less often here than in the UK. though there is more publicity around them, because of it being Germany. By the way - there was a lot of civil disobediance in Cologne today - just a very Rhineland thing because the carnival season opens today at exactly 11.11 AM on the 11th day of the 11th month - apparently 90 people face charges for urinating in public (some even against the Cathedral ). Really they should cordon off the Cathedral area at times like this.

 

Remoaner MPs clearly betrayed their earlier promises in parliament to respect the referendum result, and not find some feeble excuse to try to reverse the decision. Hopefully they will be treated harshly in the election and will be added to the UKs small unemployment current total.

 

It really annoys me when people keep going on about the will of the people. We live in a parliamentary democracy and we know that once a candidate has been elected the voters have no further say , apart from representation to the MP. Under certain legal procedures a referendum can be made into law, but that was not the case here. Party manifestos are not legal documents, otherwise millions of UK citizens would have followed the Tories promise to restore the vote to them. MPs realised that there had never been a plan over what Brexit was, it meaning many different things. It might be one thing to SH but something of a light touch withdrawal to others. For SH to think that he speaks for all Brexiters is just not credible.

 

I rest my case here. Since I brought up the subject of the possible violence during the election campaign you have used the word 'betrayal' several times. Also used terms like 'will of the people', 'full wrath of the public', 'remoaners' and 'lack of democracy' - as if your interpretation of the latter is the only valid version. It is quite clear to anyone reading where the incendiary language is coming from. It was never 'the will of the people' because only a minority of the electorate voted for it - and even a smaller number of the actual 'people'. The problem is that you are, apparently, incapable of debating without the use of these soundbites (all invented by others) and show, that you are not remotely interested in the reconciliation of the British people to each other.

 

The electorate will decide on whose version of the will of the people they prefer. There is real anger at the undemocratic antics of the remoaner MPs. Both remain and leave camps agreed before the referendum Brexit meant leaving the customs union and the single market.

 

Reconciliation can only take place after Brexit has been established. The losing side need to accept defeat and behave.

 

There is also real anger by some of my moderate Tory friends who see the party hijacked by extreme right wingers. To have a person with such a record of lying at the head of the country is not going down very well with them.

 

They are in the minority, Boris is very popular with Tory supporters as the leadership election proved. You obviously hide from those that support Johnson.

 

I will quote you on that ''Reconciliation can only take place after Brexit has been established''. So, you intend to hate half of your fellow Britons for a long drawn out period, which may produce no significant result ? You have mentioned leaving the customs union - have the people ever voted on that ? The answer is no - Norway is not in the EU. and a Brexit solution which placed us on the same footing as them would have been perfectly in accordance with the referendum result - in fact Farage himself suggested the Norway model prior to the referendum. But no - you want your type of Brexit and no other - and you will hate, and insult half your compatriots until you get it. If that is the case then I am gratefull that I do not share the same island with you, but heartily pity those that do.

 

I think you are confusing the very small number of party members, who took part in the leadership election and the much greater numbers of people who were natural Tory voters. As one friend said, "for 50 years I have always voted Tory, but no longer. I have no respect for a man who is caught out with his trousers around his ankles so often".

 

If he lives in France he should be used to politicians having lots of liaisons, it is obligatory in France

It is always easy to find an oddball in your bread queue, the latest YouGov poll has Boris's popularity steadily rising, this is great before an election. Poor old Corbyn is very unpopular.

 

I don't hate anybody, even misguided remainers and Luton supporters.

I repeat it was made clear to all before the referendum that leaving the EU meant leaving the customs union and the single market.

 

As usual you jump to the wrong conclusion. He has set out in detail why he cannot vote again for the Tories to a much wider spectrum than just me. As a business consultant he has a wide group of people who follow him on Facebook. He lives in a Tory held marginal, and is now actively working against the party. He has been a great friend with the local MP and says just how hard he has worked, but he was very much a one nation Tory. 50 years a Tory, but no longer. Sad, but many feel the same.

 

I'm sure some do feel this way but they are in a tiny minority, they could always join the resurgent wishy washies, they might even end up with 30 seats this time, two minibuses for the annual bash.

 

Source please on your statement regarding numbers of ex-Tories.

 

I would expect the ratio to be similar to those Tories who recently lost the whip compared to the rest of the Tory MPs.

Apart from the highly selective odd bod you encounter where is your source from?

 

Corbyn is considered so unreliable by the Labour Party with the responsibility of controlling the nuclear button that a committee will have to be constructed to make a decision for him. Hopefully a decision to press the button or not will be enacted quicker than than currently working out Labour's Brexit plan

 

I gave you my source. Someone I have known for 68 years. He is not an oddbod by any stretch of the imagination. He is well known within the polo society, the Tory party that he supported until very recently, and the local branch of the Masonic lodge. A typical Tory in other words.

So I ask you again, what is your source that people like him are a tiny minority.