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Free the Malvinas

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  1. Ciaran

    Ciaran Going for 55

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    South American states ban Falklands vessels from ports


    South American trading bloc has agreed to close its ports to ships flying the Falkland Islands flag.

    Mercosur, which includes Brazil, Argentina, Paraguay and Uruguay, came to the decision at a summit in the Uruguayan capital, Montevideo.

    But Uruguayan President Jose Mujica said British-flagged civilian ships that may supply the islands would still be allowed to use its ports.

    The Foreign Office said there was "no justification" for the action.

    The Falklands flag is flown by 25 boats, mostly fishing vessels operated in joint ventures with Spanish companies.

    The Mercosur decision is the latest in a series by Latin American regional bodies designed to show solidarity with Argentina which has long claimed sovereignty over the Falkland Islands, which it calls Las Malvinas.

    Britain has held them since the 1830s and says their future is not negotiable. The two countries fought a brief but bloody war over the islands in 1982.

    Their dispute has flared again recently. Last year, Argentina accused the UK of breaking international rules by allowing oil drilling under a seabed off the islands, located in a vast area of potentially mineral-rich South Atlantic waters.

    'Very concerned'

    Britain has also refused recent requests to re-open negotiations on the sovereignty of the Falklands.

    Uruguay proposed the move to close ports to Falklands-flagged vessels. Mr Mujica said: "We hold nothing against the UK. But we have a lot in favour of Argentina."

    He said solidarity among South America's neighbours was key to his country's foreign policy, adding: "For the moment, this means accepting that this territory is a colonial British position in our America."

    However, the president of the Falklands Chamber of Commerce, Roger Spink, told the BBC that they were a small community, and felt increasingly under blockade.

    "If we were Palestine, the European Union would be up in arms," he said.

    The Foreign Office, who called on Uruguay's ambassador in London to explain the move last week, said it was discussing the developments "urgently with countries in the region".

    A spokesman said: "We are very concerned by this latest Argentine attempt to isolate the Falkland Islands people and damage their livelihoods, for which there is no justification.

    "It is not immediately clear what practical impact, if any, this statement will have, which mirrors the language already used by the Union of South American Nations in 2010.

    "But no-one should doubt our determination to protect the Falkland Islanders' right to determine their own political future."

    Oil exploration

    The Foreign Office called on Uruguay's ambassador in London to explain the move last week.

    The chair of the Foreign Affairs Select Committee, Richard Ottaway, said the situation was "very unsatisfactory", with the ban seeming to be a breach of international law and tensions in the region escalating.

    Tory MP Patrick Mercer called the ban "needlessly provocative".

    Shadow foreign minister John Spellar said: "While this looks like a bit of a flag-waving gesture, Argentina should be in no doubt of the united determination of all parties in the United Kingdom to protect the Falkland Islanders' right to determine their own future."

    But former Foreign Office minister Denis MacShane said the "hostile action" was aimed at London, not the Falklands, and blamed the coalition for weakening Britain's international standing.

    The Labour MP said: "South American leaders know that Britain has fewer friends than ever before because of David Cameron's isolationist approach in Europe and the indifference to the Obama administration as most cabinet members are close to US neo-Cons.

    "Brazil and other countries know that thanks to Liam Fox's defence cuts, the UK no longer has aircraft carrier capability so British maritime power projection has been fatally weakened by the government."

    Argentina's President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, who took over the presidency of the trade bloc from Mr Mujica, thanked her fellow presidents for the show of support.

    Delivering a speech to the summit, she said: "Malvinas is not an Argentine cause, it is a global cause, because in the Malvinas they are taking our oil and fishing resources.

    "And when there is need for more resources, those who are strong are going to look for them wherever and however they can."

    British companies are exploring for oil in the waters surrounding the islands, which are 400 nautical miles from the Argentine coast.
     
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  2. GroveRanger

    GroveRanger Well-Known Member

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    And your point is?
     
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  3. ManDingo 20"/20"

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    They can **** off, and its the Falklands not Las Malvinas <ok>
     
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  4. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Well-Known Member

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    **** Argentina
     
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  5. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Argentina has about as much right to the Falklands as Chile, Paraguay and Uruguay do.

    In other words none at all. The final decision rests with the populace of the Falklands and they consider themselves British (same as The Gibraltans) so I don't see what right any South American country 400 miles away has to tell them otherwise.
     
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  6. ReallyReal

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    Argentina has no valid claim to the Falklands whatsoever, if they did have I might have some sympathy, but they're just stirring **** because like most other countries they're almost bust and there's nothing like a bit of chest thumping to get some support amongst your people, especially when your political ratings are low.

    Maybe if politicians the world over cared about problems in their own countries a bit more, instead of focusing their attention on how to gab something they don't have any rights to, the world would be a bit more peaceful, but I guess that's just not going to happen.
     
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  7. AdamBanana20

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    They don't want to get their asses kicked again do they?
     
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  8. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    I suppose it'll be a bit of a laff if they have another of their pathetic invasion attempts.
     
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  9. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Exactly.

    They have "handers" this time though for all the good that will do them.
     
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  10. TC (Lovely Geezer)

    TC (Lovely Geezer) Well-Known Member

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    Just send the Baroness over there - she'll sort them out - especially the Uruguayan lot - bunch of Negritas <grr>
     
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  11. Coffee55

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    All third world countries.
     
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  12. monacoger

    monacoger POTY 2021

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    Without being pedantic, I think the correct term is Gilbraltarian!
     
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  13. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    I have a feeling you may be correct but I could not be arsed googling it <laugh>
     
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  14. RAVENBLACK

    RAVENBLACK Well-Known Member

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    Should Uruguay not concentrate on its fascist racist footballers anyway?

    Those in glass houses........
     
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  15. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Naw, they just shoot their players.
     
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  16. Ciaran

    Ciaran Going for 55

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    It isn't just Argentina though.

    If Britain tried it on they would get their arses skelped this time. That's if they would even bother.
     
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  17. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    Yes the Paraguyan army is mustard I hear <laugh>
     
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  18. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    What are the British going to do if they invade?

    They couldn't beat disorganized goat herders in the last ten years

    Going to borrow ammo from the yanks too? South Africa, who now make our ammo won't have anything to do with this

    No allies in Europe now

    France might just sell excorcet missiles again to the Argies

    Oh and the Argies are no longer reading a ww2 manual on how to train soldiers

    Go for it
     
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  19. Ciaran

    Ciaran Going for 55

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    I know nothing about their army. I do know that Brazil have more money down the back of the sofa than Britain has. It is imperialist nonsense that Britain has a claim there.
     
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  20. Jip Jaap Stam

    Jip Jaap Stam General Chat Moderator
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    The Afghans are virtually unbeatable on their own patch, ask any Soviet veteran.

    But we like imperialist nonsense.
     
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