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Free Speech ?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by DevAdvocate, Jun 28, 2015.

  1. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    I do. I don't like what he's singing but if we're going to have a right such as free speech then it's got to be for everyone
     
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  2. Mind The Duck

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    Just the school bit
     
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  3. ManDingo 20"/20"

    ManDingo 20"/20" MDMA Guru

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    Free speech and capitalism have a lot in common.

    Both brilliant ideas in principle but when left to humans its a ****ing catastrophe.
     
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  4. Spook

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    Same can be said for socialism. Free speech in practice is never going to be tranquil. People are too passionate in their beliefs to disagree politely, no matter how wrong or right they are.
     
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    I agree but the socialism that was implemented by Russia, Cuba and other countries has been state-socialism. There's never been any real attempt to implement it properly.

    That's not to say I believe socialism would work anyway. Like you say, it fails the same test as ultimately its humans that control it.
     
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  6. Spook

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    Marx thought that socialism could work if state communism was implemented, then the state would eventually wither away into a stateless society of autonomous communes. Anarchists sort of skip the state communism stage altogether and go straight for the autonomous communes. Either way, both are practically impossible to achieve successfully. The world is too industrialised and globalised for this to happen anyway. Marxism might have worked if Marx was alive in medieval times.
     
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  7. A.L.D.O 4.1

    A.L.D.O 4.1 1 of the top defendants in Europe

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    So socialism is now communism?
    **** off Brett. Ponders is far more brainier than you, ye eejit.
     
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    A.L.D.O 4.1 1 of the top defendants in Europe

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    Pish
     
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  9. Spook

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    No, socialism is the stage before state communism, at least for Marx. I don't mind socialism that much. Our NHS is socialist, Scandinavia is pretty socialist. Socialism does a lot of good but I can't fully agree with it because I believe in social hierarchy. Most socialist political parties in the 21st century don't follow Marx's teachings at all. State communism has proven to be a failure and so Marx was wrong. Social democracy works better.
     
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    We're all ****ed anyway.

    A giant space rock is coming to **** our **** up on September the 23rd. Read a blog now and again, jeez.
     
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    State capitalism has been a resounding success?

    Socialism and Communism arre totally different things. China and the USSR weren't socialist countries. They were communist.

    Some of the most successful countries in the world are considered socialist. Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, Denmark, Canada

    All of those. are right at the top of the best places in the world to live. Socialism doesn't work though.
     
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  12. Spook

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    All monarchies. :emoticon-0136-giggl

    State capitalism isn't a resounding success; it is the cause of many injustices like poverty and greed. Socialism, by definition, is the social ownership of the means of production. Marxism is a type of internationalist socialism which advocates a transitional statist communism before having a stateless society. Non-Marxist socialism includes social democracy, which the aforementioned countries practice, but they also use free-market capitalism alongside social democracy, hence it being called the 'Nordic Model'. Like I said, I'm not an anti-socialist, but Marxism as a political theory has failed. The best most socialists in the 21st century can hope for is egalitarian social democracy as practiced in Scandinavia.
     
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    Finland has no monarchy and Sweden is quite republican these days.

    Monarchies will all fail eventually.
     
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    How so?
     
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    A lot of swedes don't hold it in the same regard as we do ours, or even Denmarks.
     
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  16. Spook

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    There have been calls for Carl XVI Gustaf to abdicate in favour of his daughter becoming Queen, but I don't think the Swedish monarchy is facing any threat of abolition.

    The Spanish monarchy, on the other hand, is the one to watch. Republicanism is very popular there at the moment and I suspect Spain to be the next monarchy to fall and become a republic. The Danish and Norwegian monarchies are very popular though.
     
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    As time passes humans will become more and more aware of any given monarchies uselessness. I have no doubts about this, even in the strongly supporting countries and especially when it comes to the Nordic countries.

    Anyway, I'm not getting into a debate on monarchies. That's a ****ing drag man.
     
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  18. stopmeandslapme

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    Excepting the C of E of course.
     
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  19. Mind The Duck

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    I'm beginning to like you guys
     
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  20. DevAdvocate

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    Its not "Free Speech" though is it, which is the point I was making.
     
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