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  1. Plymborn

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    Carl Fletcher has been appointed Caretaker manager with Larrieu as his assistant.

    Fletcher said there is no reason with a couple more signings that we couldn't do all right.

    Oh dear.........I can't see it being that simple Carl.
     
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  2. homepark_hobo

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    I hope Larrieu will be on the pitch saturday. Since Fletcher has got himself sidelined for a few games it gives him an opportunity to try his hand at tactics.

    The good thing about this is Larrieu will be able to see players who are struggling on the pitch and will be best placed to recommend to Fletcher the players to move around.

    COYG!
     
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    Probably the safest appointment with the feeling regarding Sir PRs dismissal the fans are less likely to get on his back from the start. So does this mean that we are unlikely to see these pair on the pitch together again? Fletch will be a major loss if he drops out and Cole really hasn´t impressed so far. Still fingers crossed they will get the team going and some points on the board.
     
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  4. homepark_hobo

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    I have a feeling that Player/manager will be the role. I think Fletcher will realise the best way he can command is on the pitch. Relaying tactical changes would certainly be easier, he would however need someone on the bench to carry out subs so Ro or maybe (if there is one left after PRs sacking) a coach would be on the sidelines.

    I hope that this proves to be a turning point for the club as although I have nothing but praise and sympathy for Peter Reid I feel that his departure was inevitable.
     
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    This appointment is purely financial. Ridsdale is trying to get the job done on the cheap. Not currently paying Fletch or Larrieu so why not use them rather than try and convince an actual manager to go through what Peter Reid had to? Ridsdale on TalkSport earlier saying Brent was always his preferred bidder? The man has no shame whatsoever. I realise we are adrift at the bottom of the league, so how does it make any sense to appoint 2 people with no management experience? This also smacks of Ridsdale knowing Brent is going to keep him on as chairman once the takeover is completed. Why else make such a decision if the takeover could be completed in the near future and Ridsdale isn't going to be around under the new regime?

    And why the need for a press conference to announce that the club and team captain would be taking over as manager and coach? It's just another excuse for Ridsdale to get himself on tv.

    Do Fletch and Ro even have coaching badges? The best I can see coming out of this further debacle is that on the wave of optimism we attract a large crowd on Saturday that spurs the lads on to a first win of the season. But that won't change the fact that we have a piss poor squad of youngsters who are not good enough to compete at the moment.

    Having had 24 hours to think about yesterday's events I can see why some people think it was the right decision, and it may well have been if Ridsdale was able to pull a rabbit out of the hat and produce a quality manager at 2.30 today, but all he has proved to me is that his £20k a month may as well be spent on lottery tickets! Please somebody explain to me how this shyster wormed his way into Argyle in the first place, and what the **** he has done that has in any way whatsoever benefitted the club? At some point I would love an interviewer on TalkSport or Sky Sports, or a tabloid journalist, to ask Ridsdale outright how he feels collecting his wages every month whilst the players and staff are going unpaid. The smarmy ****er would have some smart answer for them, but to get him to admit how much he was collecting right now might make his life slightly more uncomfortable when passing a young player or groundsman in the corridoor next time.

    I will be e-mailing him again but obviously he's a busy man saving Argyle, so like my previous ones, I don't expect a reply any time soon.
     
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    greenjock.
    Have Fletcher and Larrieu had an increase in their wages.........well possibly 40% of it anyway.

    Hopefully it is no more than a stop gap situation.........waiting for a new owner to decide how much they can financially offer a prospective new manager.

    Was it cheaper to sack Reid under administration than under a new owner.......it possibly was I think ?

    Ridsdale got into PAFC because he was the one that saw the train crash coming caused by the previous blind accountants.

    Fletcher and Larrieu have they got any badges.......I think we heard recently that Larrieu was interested in management and was starting a course soon.......Fletcher I don't know.
    Even so I think they are too involved in the trauma of it all and might suffer as a consequence.........stand-ins only until new owner.......then a completely new man........there will always be redundant managers looking for a job..........and to have saving Argyle from relegation on your CV wouldn't do you any harm at all.......a win win situation,going down was on the cards anyrate.

    The press conference was supposed to be for 2.30pm...........the news was on PASOTI before then !!!
     
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  8. Plymborn

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    Just read the interview with Carl Fletcher.................He came over well and sounded positive about the situation.........gets on well with Larrieu and they seem to be full of ideas.

    Lets wish them well.........I hope they prove me wrong......and they can turn it around.......and if they do well they need to be in the mix when a full time manager is appointed, at the end of the day Argyle's success is the main thing.
     
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  9. greenjock

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    Ridsdale saw an opportunity to gain control without having to outlay any money. If he had invested anything, and I mean anything, I would say that he has a right to have a say in matters, but the guy has not contributed anything and indeed is drawing large sums of cash we don't have. And please don't give me all this he is working tirelessly to save Argyle rubbish anymore. He jumped on Heaney's bandwagon because he was promised control of the club for £1, which he could just about afford, and now James Brent has always been his preferred option!


    He spends all of his time looking for other people to invest their money, because he's not stupid enough to invest his own. He was "on a walking holiday" when he coincidentally first appeared at an Argyle game, invited by Stapleton. How long ago exactly was this? And in all that time he has merrily been picking up a fat wedge while everyone else keeps deferring their pay. And in all that time who has he found to invest any meaningful funds into the club?

    He was solely responsible for getting his old pal Guilfoyle the gig as administrator, and continually told people that Heaney's bid was the only option. Now between Ridsdale and Guilfoyle, thats a fair old bit of cash hemorrhaged that could have been put to some use. **** knows what the creditors think when they see Ridsdale being chaufferred around while they are still waiting for less than a penny in the pound of what they are owed.

    Now from what I can see, Ridsdale has sole responsibility for all matters Argyle and can basically do as he pleases. Do you think he gives a toss how long the takeover process takes? He knows silly ****ers like me will make contributions that we can't really afford to keep Argyle going. Try asking the twat to defer his "expenses" and I don't think he would be willing to wait until July next year to claim back the air fare to Monaco, another fantastically positive move on his part which brought what exactly? Don't have ****ing telephones in the South of France apparently.

    Peter Ridsdale is a scumbag who is sucking the last remnants of life out of Plymouth Argyle, and doing it travelling first class. And that includes finding time in his hectic schedule to meet Bill Kenwright to help him with his financial problems at Everton. Thanks Ridsdale but try saying you were establishing contacts at Everton that could benefit us, we had a certain Peter Reid for that thanks.

    If James Brent doesn't know enough about football to run the club himself, I bloody hope he is astute enough to see through Ridsdale and kick him into touch straight away, because I think the already small band of pro-Ridsdale fans became a much smaller band of fans after the last couple of days.

    Didn't have the "pleasure" of seeing the press conference, but I just have visions of the grinning shark handing out champagne to celebrate the appointment of two people who were already giving everything they had for the club, while Peter Reid was watching on tv.
     
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  10. homepark_hobo

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    Interesting as Ridsdale suggests here that an improvement to the performance of players and league position could lead to a long term role:
    http://www.teamtalk.com/plymouth-argyle/7189610/Risdale-Fletcher-could-get-job

    It also occured to me after seeing some comments on PASOTI that it could have been a ruse to get Fletcher and Larrieu to stop any strike action. In this position they would be more inclined to support the view of the club rather than themselves.
    Just a thought...
     
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    And it's funny watching him on Spotlight just now saying that young managers were the future, when he sacked David O'Leary at Leeds and replaced him with the spring chicken Terry Venables. How do you know when Peter Ridsdale is lying? Because his lips move.
     
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    Oh and of course when he had sold all of Leeds best players, which Venables complained about, he replaced Venables with a certain Peter Reid who kept Leeds up in the face of adversity!
     
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    You have a certain way with words greenjock but I find it hard to argue with very much of what you have posted in several above. I'm not sure Ridsdale has done nothing at all but some of the stuff he comes out with is rather laughable. I think he did do a fair bit to get the taxman off our backs originally and probably persuaded the club to go into voluntary Administration rather than see it liquidated which would have been the other option. But,since then I'm not sure what he has actually achieved. To come out with the Brent was always my choice statement when every quote to date has said otherwise and he has never corrected it is more than laughable. Why sack Reid now. Well to save some cash is my answer and why appoint these two well the answer is exactly the same. There may also be some truth in the addage of get the rebels on my side and the revolution is over. There is little doubt that Ridsdale changes colour more times than a Cameleon. I remember kids like him in the school playground who only ever sided with the one who was likely to win having dropped the other one like a stone. I like you hope that Brent has little or nothing to do with him if he wins the day. This man is never ever going to be liked at Home Park and any new owner is going to need the fans more than ever. Get rid and become a bit more ethical and I think more people will actually come to matches. We need a proper shinny Knight on a proper white horse not another double talking spiv.
     
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    Brent in ridsdale -out
     
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    In the short term Brent will hold on to Ridsdale at least until things settle down............the question is will Ridsdale want to be someone elses No 2.
     
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    Mistake No 1 for Brent then !
     
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    You see, assumptions being made and Brent not being considered the greatest thing since sliced bread already. A week ago you would have thought he could walk on water. Well with the state of the Barbican harbour he probably could down there. How long before he is considered a disaster. People are so fickle. I still say a big IF Brent takes over he should be aware if he is astute that Ridsdale is not popular (being polite) and not wanted. To remove him from the club would be a first move to winning him time with the supporters. Will he take it though.
     
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    Don't get me wrong I'm not, and never was Peter Reid's biggest fan with regards to his management, but I would take him over Fletch and Ro anyday. No disrespect to them but Peter Reid had the single most unenviable job in football for such a long time, and just when there was the faintest chink of light at the end of a long long long tunnel, he's told thanks for your efforts but we're replacing you with a totally untried and inexperienced duo who we reckon can do a better job of managing a bunch of totally untried and inexperienced teenagers.

    How many times you think Reidy woke up when his alarm clock went off and thought what new kick in the teeth will I face today? How many times did Ridsdale call him to say that the club had received an offer too good to turn down for one of our best players?

    Oh Charlton want BWP do they? And how much am I getting of the £1.5 million they have offered for the leagues top goalscorer, so that I can replace him with someone who can score the goals to keep us up? Oh they only offered £250k did they lol, you obviously told them to do one eh Peter? Oh I see it meant we got rid of his wages so that you could still pick up your wedge? Ok well while we're on the subject of wages, is there any news on mine? No? Oh Ok then, at least we still have a couple of decent players like Noone, Reda, Bolasie and Mason don't we eh Peter? And have you noticed how chilly it is around here in the mornings?

    Yup football is a results business eh Ridsdale? And how long exactly have you failed to find a buyer for the club? The job YOU were brought in to do? Because it looks to me as though we are a lot deeper in the **** now than when you ambled in from your walking holiday.

    So who are you accountable to?

    Funny how double standards work. If Fletch and Ro are given the assistance of an experienced coach, the money miraculously found now, it will just show that Reid could have been given more help, and if they're not, we're ****ed anyway.
     
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    I think Peter Reid's days were numbered when he went and asked Dickdale where all the money had gone !
     
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    Thats probably right Gat. And at the time Ridsdale was booking his flight to Monaco and couldn't speak to Reidy lol
     
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