Having only just caught up with comments on here I feel that many people have no natural political home anymore. The Tories moved to the right simply to see off the threat of Farage and his simplistic messages that resonated with some who felt left behind and were given an easy scapegoat. The Labour Party has moved to the left having lost general elections and is trying to show that it is different to the days when it held broadly middle ground views. The Liberals who many turned to in times of discontent have been reduced to a small voice in UK politics and have a long way back. Many natural supporters of the Tories will feel that they are now being ignored by the government over the referendum result, and when you join them to those dissatisfied with their circumstances then even less will feel that politics has anything for them. Wrong in my opinion, but then maybe it is the fault of Parties and not most MPs that from experience are trying to do a good job for the electors who put them in Westminster.
Apparently the Freedom Party was founded in 1955 by former Nazi Party members so quite understandable why they have been referred as 'Nazi'.
The majority of Conservatives voted Brexit, add the four million that voted for UKIP plus a large number of Labour voters keen on Brexit then the present government has ample support to see Brexit through. The opposition is just so disorganised.
I wasn't only talking about Brexit, but taking a far broader picture. The government also has other things to deal with, and so far they don't seem to be winning many friends.
The present Tory government has the highest gap between itself and the opposition party in 8 years and almost an all time high. This is a 17 point gap, huge. It doesn't seem to be short of friends. This puts the UK government in a very strong position.
All the figures prove is that no one believes the current state of the Labour party is likely to form a government, that is if you think polls have sorted their methods out.
Agreed, Labour is in such a mess and is unelectable which makes the Tories unbeatable. With Diane Abbott still refusing to address immigration as a concern for traditional Labour voters then the gap is unlikely to narrow. Not only the Labour leadership is at odds with the parliamentary party, the LP leadership team cannot agree amongst themselves, shambles. If this is not sorted then UKIP will start taking seats from Labour in the North.
Added to the above the 2018 Boundary Review could cost the Labour Party up to 30 seats, even more when present popular MP's are deselected in favour of some Comrade Corbyn Trots.
A great friend of mine holds very different views from me about many issues. We enjoy political debate because even in our dotage we're open-minded enough to think we can still learn from others. I might not share Asimov's views about many things but I think he's right that the disrespect often shown to others on this thread doesn't encourage wide participation.
I don't think you can read too much into that SH. It was more or less impossible to effectively denazify either Germany or Austria after the war. When a regime has taken over every function in a country for so long - all the civil service, everything, then replacing them completely is almost impossible. Many ex members of the Nazi Party remained in functional positions after the war - sometimes as judges, mayors. There were some active in the CDU in Germany until the 1960s, and, I suspect, in other parties as well. For about 12 years any promotion, or middle or high office, was conditional upon being a party member - and so, getting rid of them all at once would have left too much of a vacuum - also, many would have been members for opportunistic reasons. This is why the American denazification programme only lasted for about a year. Likewise there are still older policemen in the Eastern part of Germany who served in the GDR time. The same thing is true in Iraq, where former members of Saddam Hussain's Baath party are still serving in the government. Not nice, but unavoidable.
Do you know anything about Trotsky whatsoever ? You are so certain that his followers exist in high numbers in the UK. that I though I'd ask a reasonable question - what were his ideas ? Apparently there is one under every bed in the UK. so I thought i'd ask. I do not expect an answer to this, because I suspect you are using similar rhetoric to that of McCarthyism in the USA - ie. every enemy is a Commie.
I was only justifying my comment that The Freedom Party had at some stage been described as 'Nazi' As it was founded by ex Nazi Party members that explains why. I am not suggesting the modern Freedom Party has Nazi members although it is described as far right which the Conservatives have never been sensibly labelled.
There is bound to be a couple under McDonnell's bed. If I find one under my bed I'll kick his backside. If they find anymore they can use them to fill some of the shadow cabinet positions which has proved impossible due to mass resignations. Traditional Labour voters were happy the Trots were kicked out of the LP previously, they are not pleased they are once again infiltrating the branches. There will be chaos when the promised deselection of current Labour MP's starts. The policy will delight UKIP who are ready to pounce on Labour's weaknesses.
Have I explained my views about "many things"? I have touched on one or two but think I have only really posted on the Castro thread with a focus mainly on Castro being not a hero and the undeniable fact that a majority of posters on here are anti-Tory. Correct me if I am wrong please.
Not really an answer was it ? Do you think that Corbyn is dedicated to the overthrow of Capitalism, and its consequent replacement with a state completely based on collective ownership of all the means of production - do you think he is dedicated to achieving this end by whatever means possible - that he has maybe a Molotow Cocktail hidden in his trousers for this purpose ? The truth is you have no idea who Trotsky was yet you bandy the word here, there and everywhere to describe everyone you personally don't like. Corbyn may be an idealist, he may even be a silly old fool, but he is not a Trotskyist. Maybe I will start describing all leaders of the Conservative Party as Übergruppenführer from now on.
Typical content free answer You and the Sun have both found it very convenient to bandy the word Trotskyist around without, apparently, having the faintest idea what it means.
In August, Tom Watson sent Corbyn a four page document detailing evidence that Trotskyists had been attending meetings of grassroots pro-Corbyn Momentum pressure group and seeking to influence the Labour leadership election. He claimed some of the individuals involved were members of other parties, including the Socialist party, the successor to Militant, whose members were expelled from the Labour party by Neil Kinnock. This is a Guardian article about Watson describing the infiltrators as 'TROTSKYIST' Are you adding The Guardian and the deputy Labour leader to your list of the ill informed?
Do you now agree the term was widely used amongst socialists themselves, many who had suffered from the infiltration decades earlier. You should ask the deputy of the Labour Party about his definition, he can see the damage they are causing much closer at hand.
