1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

FFP benefits bigger clubs

Discussion in 'Southampton' started by fran-MLs little camera, Sep 9, 2016.

  1. fran-MLs little camera

    fran-MLs little camera Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2011
    Messages:
    69,233
    Likes Received:
    24,804
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37307621

    Apparently FFP benefits big clubs at the expense of smaller clubs....wow, who'd have thought it. Cortese knew....because he opposed it, but he was a voice in the wilderness.
     
    #1
  2. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2011
    Messages:
    84,295
    Likes Received:
    88,749
    Always said that it sounds a nice idea as it should stop a Leeds/Pompey situation but all it does is maintain the status quo and that will probably never change now.
     
    #2
  3. Clem Fandango

    Clem Fandango Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2012
    Messages:
    4,618
    Likes Received:
    604
    Everything benefits big clubs. That's why I only watch simulated games of Pro Evo now.
     
    #3
  4. hotbovril

    hotbovril Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    2,763
    Likes Received:
    1,624
    Financial Fair Play should be about setting out a framework within which clubs can operate soundly and fairly. Specifically, FFP rules should exist to stop the likes of Peter Risdale from gutting everything he touches. Instead, the governing bodies tried to rein in spending at the ultra-rich clubs which is utterly pointless. If billionaires want to spunk their disposable loads on a pet club, let them. They aren't hurting anyone and they certainly aren't damaging the game, however much it grates with fans of other clubs. FFP is more about stopping Abramovich from sponsoring his own car-parking space for £10Mpa than it is about safeguarding clubs at all levels. It makes a complete mockery of what a sporting governing body should be doing but hey, quel surprise......
     
    #4
  5. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    39,383
    Likes Received:
    8,819
    Said this before several times since the vote because when the clubs decided, everyone was in favour save a few leaders, and most conspicuously, Nicola Cortese. And frankly, for the life of me I couldn't work out why at the time until I read and understood some of his reasons and then the first mutterings started about how it favoured the status quo, and hence bigger clubs. Les Reed has subsequently said several times, since Cortese's departure, that FFP is unfair. Indeed, he's gone as far as calling it Financial Unfair Play. I think those two made a great team. Both got up people's noses because they are brilliant in their respective fields of expertise.
     
    #5
  6. Saint Sosa

    Saint Sosa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2014
    Messages:
    1,258
    Likes Received:
    892
    In other news, water is wet...
     
    #6
  7. AshbySaint

    AshbySaint Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2011
    Messages:
    2,399
    Likes Received:
    1,207
    I blame Brexit!!!
     
    #7
  8. Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc)

    Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2012
    Messages:
    8,638
    Likes Received:
    8,975
    Before we complain too much, let's not forget that we are one of the biggest clubs in the country in the grand scheme of things. So it benefits us much more than it does hundreds of other teams across the country.
     
    #8
  9. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    39,373
    Likes Received:
    39,323
    That's true, but on the other hand we don't benefit as much as, say, the Man Utd's and Chelseas who just happen to be the teams we are competing with in the Premier League.
     
    #9
    TheSecondStain likes this.
  10. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2011
    Messages:
    84,295
    Likes Received:
    88,749
    Or Man City who got good at the exactly right time...

    Plus we're not one of the biggest clubs in the country. Yeah you could say compared to your Burys or your Leyton Orients etc. But a few top 8 finishes doesn't make us a big club.

    We're probably in the top 25 in terms of history, fan base and commercial appeal but there's at least 3 clubs in the Championship that if they get their ownership sorted and promoted again that have a much wider commercial appeal so will be able to spend more than us.
     
    #10

  11. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    39,383
    Likes Received:
    8,819
    Indeed. FFP ensures that the biggest clubs will never be usurped in terms of financial muscle because those smaller (but still big) clubs like Saints who would like to compete on the same level are simply not allowed by FFP rules. So Leicester City's PL title is not going be a springboard to major success like it should be, unless they can pull off miracle season after miracle season.
    Basically, FFP allows ManU or ManC, for example, to buy success, but those smaller clubs aren't allowed to do the same. FUP says Les.
     
    #11
    ChilcoSaint likes this.
  12. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2011
    Messages:
    84,295
    Likes Received:
    88,749
    This is the reason I would take a cup win over a top 4/6 finish every time.

    Like with the Leicester example to do it once is a hell of an achievement and one thing. To stay there and carry on competing is a whole different kettle of fish. I think Spurs will find the same this year.

    I've got a lot of stick on here over the years for the whole trophy over decent league finish thing. I have noticed that a few more have come round to the idea in the past 6 months or so.
     
    #12
  13. Schad

    Schad Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2011
    Messages:
    17,837
    Likes Received:
    13,160
    Let's be realistic, though: FFP has not and is never going to trouble us, not with our current financial approach. Because of the way you can use player sales and commercial revenues to increase the wage threshold, and because we're aiming for a much greater degree of financial security than most, it's not really an issue...our unwillingness to spend more of the owner's wealth will kick in long before the restrictions do.

    That's not to say that FFP doesn't favour the biggest clubs, and doesn't need to go; it's going to be an impediment for West Ham in all likelihood, it could be an issue for Everton in a year or two, and it wouldn't be shocking if it harmed the likes of Stoke or Palace if they continue spending freely (and actually get something from it), or any uppity new arrival to the PL with deep pockets. But for us, if we continue our tactics to date? If anything, it might help us, because the teams for which it is the most problematic happen to be the ones we're competing with most directly.
     
    #13
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2016
  14. fatletiss

    fatletiss Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 17, 2011
    Messages:
    57,300
    Likes Received:
    40,066
    I'll Get to the bookies and get my money on Leicester then :)
     
    #14
  15. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    39,383
    Likes Received:
    8,819
    Have to say that by Saints own admission, FFP has already restricted the club on what they can do, since our return to the PL.
     
    #15
  16. Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc)

    Ronnie Hotdog (MLsfc) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2012
    Messages:
    8,638
    Likes Received:
    8,975
    It is all relative isn't it. League 2 teams will look at all the premier league clubs and think how much more it benefits us than them. We will do the same to the clubs that are bigger than us. Either way it isn't a great system!
     
    #16
  17. ChilcoSaint

    ChilcoSaint What a disgrace
    Forum Moderator

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2011
    Messages:
    39,373
    Likes Received:
    39,323
    It could be a fair system if all clubs were in the same financial position when FFP was introduced. As it is, it just serves to preserve the status quo.
     
    #17
  18. TheSecondStain

    TheSecondStain Needs an early night

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2011
    Messages:
    39,383
    Likes Received:
    8,819
    And it is a major part of the reason why I am starting to turn away from football again. Another major part is that the media appears to be even more geared to the ManUs and ManCs of football, of which I couldn't be less interested. I thought Leicester may have struck a blow for smaller PL clubs within the main football media, but all I've seen and heard since is Arsenal this, ManU that. Frankly, I rather watch paint drying.
    The realisation that the PL is geared so much toward the bigger clubs that it is basically fixed is a huge disappointment.
     
    #18
    AshbySaint likes this.
  19. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2011
    Messages:
    84,295
    Likes Received:
    88,749
    See my later post. It's one thing to do it once, but to stay there competing is a whole another thing.
     
    #19
  20. Libby

    Libby Derby County, we're coming for you

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2011
    Messages:
    84,295
    Likes Received:
    88,749
    I'm not sure about this. Hasn't the whole ethos if the club under this ownership to be self sufficient? If so we'd never have to worry about FFP.
     
    #20

Share This Page