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EURO CHAMPS England

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  1. Supcon72

    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

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    JGF are you saying they too many games in the Prem/CL?
     
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  2. johngalleyfan2

    johngalleyfan2 Well-Known Member

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    no the majority of players in this championship play in the UK
     
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  3. Supcon72

    Supcon72 Well-Known Member

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    That may be why the Prem was so poor this season just passed, I really do wonder if even the lure of CL and International football can compare to the obscene wages these guys earn. They simply don't care!
     
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  4. johngalleyfan2

    johngalleyfan2 Well-Known Member

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    the fee's just go up, so wages go up buoyed by the ever increasing amounts of money poured into the top which leaks out to agents amongst other things, before a few drops get to the bottom of the funnel to micro rehydrate the Football League

    Sterling plays I shall be on route to Manchester so listening on radio
     
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    sorry I spelt the title wrong

    EURO CHUMPS England ........................
     
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  6. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    This is exactly the sort of inept and uncaring performance and result that made me stop watching, or even caring about England many years ago.

    Overpaid, over rated, molly coddled ponces as Danny Baker said.
     
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    johngalleyfan2 Well-Known Member

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    I was disgusted with how they got on the bus .. as the commentator acidly said, words to that effect "there goes that overpaid load of millionaires,all with their head phones on" the most arrogant looking was Joe Hart may he never wear another England jersey .....
     
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  8. RedorDead

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    UNBELIEVABLE HAS ANY ONE SEEN THIS YET!?..........
    England Chiefs have noticed that Iceland have fielded an ineligible player for the last 2 games, which means they could actually be disqualified, and that could put England back in the Euro cup. Check it out on the BBC website. It's right. England appealed to FIFA only earlier today. If their claim is upheld it will mean they are through to the last few, and could actually be on their way to play France or even win the tournament























    Carlsberg don't do messages for delusional English dreamers who STILL think they can win everything. But if they did... this would probably have been the best message in the world!
     
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  9. Redprintt

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    Did you ask English fans not to gloat after your defeat ?
     
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  10. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    Why do you think the players do not care?

    The performance became inept. After sixty minutes players struggled to perform what would normally be routine. It was a sort of collective inertia, which appeared to be not down to caring but fear, panic all associated with attitudes beyond could not care less.

    Chagrin is directed at the coach. Everybody would do something different, but Mr Hodgson had a squad that man for man almost all did not perform to a normal level.

    Hart ... I would give myself a chance of saving shots he let in, but I wouldn't be good enough for Western league.

    Rose and Walker ... Good in the EPL. And struggling v Iceland.
    Ali ... Good in the EPL. And?
    Kane ... Disappeared. His free kick v Iceland. A knuckleball free kick that was comedy.
    Stirling .. ##!!
    Wilshire ... Ditto.
    Sturridge ... His touch v Iceland was school boy like.
    Rooney ... Two good games and unable to complete simple passes v Iceland after that sixtieth minute.

    The above list is incomplete.

    These players must have cared to become the best in the class, the best in their school, the best at their junior club, the best of the best to progress as far as they have. Perhaps many are now bang average and froze due to the pressure.

    A long term could be looking at how to improve bang average, and the psychology which sees players under performing.
     
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  11. Angelicnumber16

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    The players representing England evidently don't care nearly enough hence some shocking performances over the years, culminating in defeat by a team ranked so lowly this week.

    A blind man could see there has been something wrong with the way England have played in most, not all major tournaments since 1966.

    We've had decent players during that time, but some have been overlooked for being too good or for having flair i.e Tissier (8 caps), Hoddle (53 caps)

    The Golden Generation ? Ha !! So where are all the trophies from their era ?

    In my opinion, recent generations of players are simply paid too much money to have to need to even care about playing for England, let alone performing. It simply doesn't matter to them even when selected. No pride, no passion, no collective will to win or succeed or perform collectively and no leadership.

    But I would also expect that the players agents probably say how good it is for their image, and that additional lucrative endorsements will inevitably come their way by pulling on the white (grey, red or whatever) shirt.

    The players are also way too feted over by the media for no apparent reason, but the tainted and morally bankrupt media in this country themselves also have an awful lot to answer for in our lives.

    International football has been on the wane for decades in the country, to the extent that I don't know why we still bother. I don't.
     
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  12. Cliftonville

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    I think England have done quite well in some tournaments since 1966, but are slipping further behind as other nations progress. England 96 v 2016. Big win to 96.

    French, German and Spanish players also receive astronomical salaries, but their national representative sides out perform England.

    In my opinion England players technically with exceptions they are not that good. Again at this tournament we have seen Rose and Walker lauded because they run up and down, and run up and down some more.

    The development model England has from its grass roots up to its national XI would be unacceptable to other nations.

    Iceland invest more money in football development proportionally than England does.

    It is a case of do not prepare for the future, prepare to fail.
     
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  13. Angelicnumber16

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    In Italia 90 and Euro 96 for instance, England had players and perhaps more importantly characters, who clearly cared about results and performances above, or at least equal to, whatever their own personal gain might have been from the tournaments.
    As I suggested in my earlier reply, these days it seems to be a chore for player to represent their country and I'm sure that given the choice with no chance of repercussions that a lot would choose not to bother.
    Domestic, and European competition seems to now be much more important to players, and especially the top clubs.
     
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  14. johngalleyfan2

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    NO where to?
     
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  15. Cliftonville

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    England had players with high levels of ability and if they did not have that much skill they had character. Other nations still produce these players, who again are lavishly paid. Other nations which England should look to be our peers have been outperforming this nation for an extended period.


    Why?

    England has long been looked upon as a nation that produced battling players..The game has moved on. The game is like chess now. Technical flexibility is needed, tactical nous. England do not have it.

    V Iceland the players did not look as if it was all a chore, they looked like they were being tormented by their footballing impotence. Desperate!

    I do not think England are a good team, or as bad as they were v Iceland. Its a case of bang average. Failure to look at fundamentals to compete with superior footballing powers. Its easy to go blah they do not care, its money, things go deeper than that.
     
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  16. Angelicnumber16

    Angelicnumber16 Well-Known Member

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    English footballers are, in the main, not the sharpest tools in the toolbox either.

    So perhaps, mentally, they are underprepared or unable to deal with having to think for themselves unless told what to do or how to play...?
    There certainly seems to be a lack of flair and/or creativity in recent years and tournaments.
     
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  17. RedorDead

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    Nope and yes they did gloat. I've been waiting long enough and probably won't get this opportunity again.
    Come Friday I suspect all UK teams will be out.
    But for now the arses who said we are ****e, won't get a point, won't score a goal, coming second was best option. Was like we've beaten you now so move aside and let the big boys play now, are going to get the piss taken out of them.
     
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  18. Cliftonville

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    I doubt there is much difference between English players and their foreign counterparts intellectually. Reading Pirlos book the dressing room he occupied was little different, same humour and pranks.

    From very early ages players abroad are being told what to do and how to play. Training models such as Coever are repetitive for instance. Foreign FA's are more focused on from early ages on coaching, preparation and development than English football.

    It will be interesting to see what the FA's response is to Euro 2016.
     
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    To me they looked like rabbits in the headights when Icelands second goal went in. They never expected, nor were prepared mentally, to be in that situation and didn't have a single leader on the pitch (or indeed off it!) who could literally grab them by the balls and get them to knuckle down and really put a shift in.

    By the 18th minute of that game you could see that each and every England player was scared ****less of making the mistake that would lead to a third goal and their return home to the criticism they would receive. In the end it became, effectively, a self fulfilling prophecy!
     
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  20. Redprintt

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    'Nope and yes they did gloat' - Fair enough.

    Have you seen the Welsh players reaction during/after the Iceland game ?
    Must admit I was very surprised.
    I have a giggle when Rovers lose and that's all - the only time I jump/dance around is when City score/win.
     
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