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Effect of Brexit

Discussion in 'Watford' started by Davylad, Mar 26, 2016.

  1. superhorns

    superhorns Well-Known Member

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    Agreed, the UK is far too lax, maybe the French take their love of paperwork to extremes but it certainly works better than ours. The problem with the UK's attempts at tightening up of security normally brings howls of hysterical nonsense from the anti-Big Brother mob!!
     
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    It's exactly the same thing in Germany apart from the police visit - the certicate (Anmeldebestätigung) which says that you have registered at the town hall is then a condition for opening a bank account, together with your passport. No money changes hands for work in Germany other than through direct bank transfer (cheques are unknown here) so a kind of filtering system operates.
     
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  3. yorkshirehornet

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    Nonsense .......:emoticon-0143-smirk
     
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    The influential Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA) has basically backed Theresa May's stance that no Brexit deal is better than a bad deal. They say a deal is "desirable but not essential

    Brexit deal 'not essential', says think tank
     
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    Libertarian think tank, eh? Unbiased source as always.
     
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  7. superhorns

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    I had a feeling you would pick up on this - I fail to see how going into a World where you have to pay tariffs with your best customers (ie. the EU.) in the hope of replacing them with imaginary other customers (tariff free) can be a step forward. At the moment all we have are endless 'reports' by experts. or prognosis, but can you tell me of any sensible businessman, anywhere, who would alienate himself voluntarily from his best customers - in the hope of replacing them with imaginary ones ? Another question for you - if Brexit is going to see an increase of trade with the rest of the World, and a 'falling off' of EU. trade then what are the consequences for shipping, and particularly the Port of Felixstowe (which is tied up with trade with Rotterdam, Antwerp and Bremerhaven).
     
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  10. superhorns

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    As far as I know the UK negotiators are looking for a tariff free deal with the EU, this would benefit both parties. I'm sure the docks are sufficiently capable of handling any changes in trade.
     
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    mmm.... like the shipyards ???
     
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  12. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    It really looks as if the public have started to see through the governments position on Brexit. Only 33% believe that the Conservatives can be trusted to lead negotiations. If another referendum was held there would be a 47-44% vote to remain. There is a small majority now who put staying in the single market ahead of ending free movement. Labour holds a 3% point lead over the Conservatives. Opinion can and does change, which is why the "will of the people" is not an argument that stands up to scrutiny. MPs are given trust by the public to do the best they can for the country as a whole, not just protect their own party interests. The Government despite saying how well the talks are going are just putting a brave face on things, and they are going to have to change their approach.
     
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    The 'will of the people' is massively important when attached to election results or referendum. Some people want 'best of three' 'best of five' anyone?

    Sounds like the EU when they don't approve of member democratic results. Vote again chaps until you get the result we want.
     
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  14. oldfrenchhorn

    oldfrenchhorn Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    So you agree that the PM did not get the majority she was asking for, and it is massively important therefore for her to change course. This is the latest view of the public, so she should take note, or ignore them? Not quite sure how you square that circle.
     
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    mmm.. Just what Farage said....

    I think we all want the best result for the country.....

    The democracy/will of the people argument is flawed... as so often

    1)the masses dont have the information to make an informed decision
    2) they are influenced by others with more power
    3) they are offered an outcome that is not achievable

    etc etc
     
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    By the same polls the vast majority of those asked were deemed as fairly pessimistic or very pessimistic about the future of the EU. The public also said the Tories are the best political party to handle Brexit. Most of those polled want the Uk to leave, regardless of what happens. Most want us not to pay a ransom or no more than 10bn.
     
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    I've never known a UK government that operated by opinion polls, are you proposing changing our electoral system?
     
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    The Conservatives did win the election, Labour lost for the third time and the Lib Dems were just ignored.
     
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  19. oldfrenchhorn

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    I did not say anything like that at all. I said that the public rejected her plans at the general election. She demanded support for her vision of Brexit and it was rejected. According to you she should therefore take note.
     
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    did they? I could've sworn they had to sell out to the religious right in Northern Ireland to get a majority
     
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