Read the above. It could be some poster's lack of commercial experience which leads to their timid stance on the UK's future, quite understandable I suppose.
You are rapidly reverting to form SH. To the same form which has seen one ban, and about 4-5 other posters placing you on ignore. If the only way you can get your kicks in life is to come on here trying to provoke reactions from people then I feel very sorry for you.
Come on SH.This is just attention seeking and defiant behavior . Wise up and Be part of the community and engage with due respect or go elsewhere.. Thank you
Frenchie !!!Brings back memories... I wonder whether some of the oldies remember please log in to view this image
...and found kids like you purport to be loitering round the loos? Can you not actually behave with any respect?
I don't know what sort of levels you want to drag this thread down to SH. But if you want to persist in this type of attention seeking and perpetual attempts at winding up other posters then I, for one, would be gratefull if you did it elsewhere - and I do not think I am the only one who feels this way.
It does show that even in those long ago days we had the fools arrive for a time, but eventually they became fed up with reading about how to smoke a kipper.
I am not bothering to debate politics with you SH, there is no point. Your purpose on here is not to debate, but rather to bait, to snipe, to belittle any other posters who are not 100% on your side. I don't know what kind of 'kick' you get out of this SH, that's not my concern - but if you cannot show any respect for any other posters (and I'm not just talking about me here, not by a long way) then do us all a favour and relieve us of your presence on here.
Anyone that does not fit into the whingy whiny lefty anti Brexit group has proved not to be welcome on this board. You are not really looking to debate but to solely have a back slapping exercise, having already forced other right wingers to give up.
This has nothing to do with your politics SH but with your manner of debating and your lack of respect for other posters. The other point in which you err is your presumption that everyone here is on the left, which they aren't. The case for Brexit can be argued from the left or from the right - don't forget that both Arthur Scargill and George Galloway supported it. Just as the case against can be argued from both sides. All are welcome on here as long as they are prepared to accept that contra arguments are not presented by uneducated morons but are just as thought out as your own. Your starting point is that any poster who disagrees with you is open to ridicule - and that is not acceptable. Start respecting others and they will respect you.
I met someone while doing the weekly shop today who didn't vote in the referendum, despite his wife voting to remain. His view was that although he had always been a Tory voter while in the UK, the message coming from them was mixed about the EU and he couldn't make up his mind, so abstained. "I am not a doom and gloom type" he said, "but seeing what is going on today in the UK fills me with horror". "Tolerance of those who see things differently is disappearing, and unless you tow a particular line, you will be scorned upon." " The Tory party is split just as the population at large is split, and to try and make out that there is a clear path ahead is just ridiculous." It is clear that it is not the bulk of Tory party members who are in favour of leaving, but it is the people from the traditional Labour heartlands who feel left behind that cast the votes for leaving. Today a group of moderate Tory MPs called upon the PM to be more forthcoming, otherwise they might not support her in any forthcoming vote. While we see little sign of an effective opposition, it will fall more and more upon moderates from all political parties to call the Tories to account, and ask if they are happy to widen the cracks that are already there for all to see.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/oxmidrr5wh/EUFinalCall_Reweighted.pdf I think those who voted Tory in 2015 were more likely to vote leave, and those who voted Labour or Liberal, more likely to vote remain. But this could be slightly correlative as (this is speculation) there may be an age-profile confounding variable at work. Education also appears to be a factor. All that said, we are in this bloody mess now, massive damage has been done, we need to conclude the situation with the least harm. My belief is that involves staying in.
By the by, if you pay no attention to the baiter, i.e. ignore him, you'll find this is a better site. I'm really sorry to say that, but I believe his intention is only to wind up people. We've had them before, but I never remember one from our own club. Which is why I gave him so long and tried my best to engage. But 't ain't wurf it.
You've just reminded me of this. My mum had a book as a little girl and she recently bought a copy of it from abebooks.co.uk, my sister has the original. I loved this book as a child, it was my favourite by a country mile. I'd forgotten till your post that there's a whole section on 'The Future' . The book is from about 1950 and this section is all about how robots will be doing nearly all the work and humans will have to adapt to fill the time, which will largely be of leisure. I then reflect on the hours people worked then, the inordinate pressure work brings now compared to then. We ants have to work harder than ever to feed the super-super-rich and all-powerful. The added wealth technology brought was not enough. Give us too much free time and we might start to think about our relative situations and question by what 'right' their lives are better than ours. But, as it is, we are super-busy ants and we don't notice.
So true and some of those futuristic sci fi films all had an element of controlling the masses, who were by definition a threat and the baddies etc etc
There were about 30% of Labour voters who voted for Brexit. Those on the ideological hard left because they saw the EU. as a neo liberal club, and saw that things like the future nationalization of railways, energy concerns etc. could prove difficult within the context of the EU. They had seen the way Greece was treated (enforced privatizations etc.) and also the way TTIP was being forced through behind closed doors and thought, no thank you. Many more Labour voters voted on the issue of immigration (the Brexiters managed to fuse the issues of overall immigration, the EU. and Schengen, refugees, crime, and social security abuse) - although these issues are in no way interrelated. Some may have voted simply to bring down Cameron. Normally heads of state offer the electorate a referendum choice between preserving the status quo and bringing in a change which they themselves want - Cameron managed to totally screw that up and ensure that the whole 'protest' vote went against him. More Tories voted leave than Labour ones did - I think that the Liberals were the most solidly for remaining. I think that even some SNP voters voted for Brexit because they calculated that this would bring the whole issue of separatism back onto the agenda. Even some Greens voted for Brexit (because of the EU. agricultural subsidies). Balanced against this we had only the economic argument - Cameron calculated that the people would always vote in the interests of their pockets.
