The regime....because that seems to be what PAFC is becoming... do not take kindly to anything that is not in line with the clubs party line. It was noticeable on Sparksy's match summary that even he noticed that the tannoy system volume was turned up when there were anti-Fletcher comments being shouted. The confiscating of a... "Fletcher out"...flag by a so called fire steward with the comment that it had no "Fire safety certificate".......this during a Noah style deluge that would of put the fire of London out in 1666 not just a small flag......plus the drummer starting up even louder during other "Fletcher out" chanting. Well done to Mark Moseley for playing the full match after minimal training since injury and his first game this season.......and man of the match by many PASOTi voters. What does that tell you about the team......in my view.....yes I'm going to tell you..... like it or not......is that he had only been subjected to 24hrs of Fletcher's coaching and still had a few positive ideas that will possibly be drummed out of him before his month is up. PASOTI and as expected ATD comments about what is happening at Home Park at present is starting to show dissension from the party line.....saying who the hell is trying to stop the supporters from airing their views at the calamitous state of things that are now going wrong....and the complete lack of Boardroom input to the looming disaster as we sink even lower in the league....just 1pt from a relegation spot. James Brent you need to save us from Carl Fletcher.......captain for two consecutive relegations and seemingly intent on taking us to the Conference......does anyone else feel that he has become a Jonah character the type of person who would lose a twenty pound note and find a penny.....who is now continually saying how well the lads play (out of their socks again yesterday) and are getting nothing but bad luck all the time. You make your own luck in this life is often quoted at times like this.....you are certainly not owed it by anyone.......it is so obvious that Carl Fletcher is not up to managing anything let alone a football club.....call me negative if you want but I am also sure that I will not be burying my head in the sand and hoping problems will go away...........Mr Brent appropiate action please.
Fletchers wife is tweetin on Twitter saying: "Winners never quit and quitters never win!! Enjoy your weekends. Well he should quit as he his not a winner Mrs Fletcher. He never has been since his time at Argyle as a player or a manager. I doubt he could manage a good S h i t Brent Man up you Whimp.. and do the good thing for every one . Its time for him to go, surely how much longer.. Look what happened in the previous experience with Sturrock..
I have two questions to ask ..... 1. What about the Forde Nerde flags do they have fire safety certificates ?? 2. Do I have to go nude because none of my clothes have a fire safety certificate ?. The drummer and tannoy system might have been able to drown out the discontent around the ground, but they couldn't stop the supporters in the Moanflower Stand voicing their concerns at the directors box ..... thought it was free speech in this country, obviously that doesn't include Home Park ..... FLETCHER OUT ..... yep shouting so hopefully I will be heard at Home Park lol .... Hands up how many on here have written to Brent stating that they want Fletcher to stay .... Brent apparently has had loads of letters supporting Fletcher hmmmmm yeah right ?
The bottom line is that Brent won't pay Fletcher to piss off, if it were free he'd be gone by now. The Argyle that I knew and loved is long gone, spoilt by the greedy previous owners before Brent stepped in. Unfortunately it is clear that it's only the £££ that he is after and the same goes for Fletcher - otherwise he'd do the decent thing and resign. Our once proud club is dying a slow and painful death. Our city deserves better. It doesn't seem that long ago I enjoyed the Argyle experience, I can still see Halmosi running down that left wing with the ball, the excitement brought us to our feet in the Devonport end - my son was brought up on that and then Holloway left and the rot set in under Sturrock's 2nd stint. It's the chicken & egg scenario, did Holloway's leaving spark the turn of events or did Holloway leave because he saw what was comming - I'm inclined to believe the latter. It's sad but I cannot even bear to even listen on the radio these days, it's all so depressing and you know what's coming even if we go a goal up. If we are to stand any chance of survival then Fletcher has to go.
I saw the small poster held up by I think 4 or 5 on the Devonport. I saw them spoken to by a Steward and the poster disappear. I aslo saw them spoken to by a less than happy moron from somewhere behind them obviously venting his spleen on them for daring to show what many feel. Who sent him down I wonder. When the management have to resort to increasing the volume on the tanoy and having Stewards over step their real powers to try to shut people up for giving an opinion then it is truely a very poor show. The poor publicity from that alone will be enough to drive people out of the ground let alone the results. I absolutely would like to know who took the decision to try to stop the dissent. All it will do is make people more determined to show it in the future and nobody is going to shut them up acting in that way. Mr Brent needs to grow a pair because Fletcher isn't going to walk away without encouragement. I thought yesterday's actions to stiffle the paying customers was disgusting.
Hi sensible......I was getting worried that you had locked yourself away....when you didn't comment last night I began to think that yesterdays result had been the last straw.
Nope it was interference that stopped me posting plym. The Grandson stayed over and I'm not allowed to use my own machine when he is in town. Bleddy kids.
A sinister thing seems to be happening at PAFC........any form of opposition to the regime (appropriate word) is frowned on and removed... or if it is shouted out... drowned out by the tannoy system. Who are those that are setting the agenda for this to happen.....it seems a sure way to get supporters backs up and increase opposition....or empty the ground and of course James Brent's bank account. If they think that is the best way to support Carl Fletcher the manager they will find that it will do the opposite. I'm sure Mr Brent doesn't run his Hotel chain with such a sinister system....this is England not the old Soviet Bloc.
There is a clear risk of trouble between Argyle fans on the one hand and the boo boys on the other. This needs to be managed for fear something worse than abuse breaks out. Fletcher most certainly should not resign. He kept the club up last year and there have been better performances this season; we are now losing games we should & could have won whereas this time last season it was merely a question of how many we'd lose by. He's been in post only 14 months, a ridiculously short time to turn things around by any normal measure in the real world. That includes 7 months of relegation battle, when it was clearly stated the ONLY task was to avoid relegation, which he did. You will remember Fletcher said earlier in the year that he was unable to pay the wages demanded by the players he wanted and so he must be making do with what can be afforded. Improved performances, admittedly accompanied only by a modest improvement in results, has been achieved against the background of the club being bankrupt 12 months ago and still making losses as we know from the need for continued subsidy from Brent. If the Fletcher-out faction get him out, the club must pay what it owes. I doubt the majority of the boo-boys have the intellect to understand that or what it means for club finances. He's on a 1 year rolling contact, so it's one year's salary & benefits and under the circumstances, I assume something extra for wrongful dismissal as operating within the stated policy on the above two counts is not grounds for dismissal without compensation. We have had 7 managers in 9 years since Sturrock departed for Southampton and it's achieved absolutely nothing but a slide into the bottom half of League 2. What makes anyone think a 10th will be any different? What is required is continuity and progress to healthier finances. By the way, does anyone know what happened to the offer to the fans to buy 20% of the club? That would inject a considerable sum to improve the squad.
notDistant.......I assume by your comment on the Fans Trust's 20% offer...that you are not a member. Members have had a newsletter through the post giving the latest news and a reminder of the AGM held on Saturday 24th Nov. Also included is a voting form with four questions........one question is a yes/no regarding taking up the offer......second question for those that voted yes is.....what level of investment should the trust target....5/10/15/20%.......there are two further questions that do not have a direct link to questions 1/2. this form must be returned by Fri 21st Dec. The obvious question is what do the Trust get in return for any investment in PAFC..........also what would happen if at a later stage Brent sold his 80/85/90/95%....the Trust as a minority share holder would be left where in such a deal ?.......it seems it is giving money for no say in how the club is run (no seat on the board)...at best there might be a yearly interest on what ever % is taken up. It seems that the season ticket/POTD figures are added together to come up with a crowd figure for each match....so if season ticket holders do not turn up they are still seen as bought tickets.....so the 5700 attendance figure could be bloated..........there were a few seperate reports suggesting that those at Home Park were nearer 4500.......so some season ticket holders might of said no not this week or the terrible weather might of influenced many others. Other points you make above I have made my point of view clear already and will not say anything other that there is a regime inplace that will cause trouble....fans will make their feelings known to the Board.
The 20% will just help Brent a bit more to line his pockets.. The crowd was not near the 5700 on saturday more like a thousand less. could have been the weather .. but i am not so sure. Its sad to see all this going on, Brent needs to listen to the supporters not the idiots he has around him..
My point was precisely that the offer hadn't been taken up, has it? Perhaps the reason is that what the investors would get for their money is exactly what Brent has - a share in a loss making business with no prospect of ever making money. Far easier to urge others to put their cash into something like that to keep things going than to put your own in, isn't it? Armyjoe - the money would go into the club, not to Brent. Your comment is wrong and dangerous.
notDistant...Fri 21st Dec will be when it will be known if a majority of members have voted yes or no.
Excuse me notdistant but your post above regarding the "boo - boys" makes you sound like a pretencious prick. Who the hell are you to state that the people who show dissent are some thick bunch of morons and the "lets all clap Fletcher" brigade are some superior sect. They know that Fletcher would need to be paid off just as much as you do. They know that this would affect the budget just as much as you do. I know that and I want Fletcher to be relieved of his duties just as much as the ones who shout it out. Get off your high horse for once. Football is an emotive game for the supporters. Failure after failure is very waring when you pay to watch it. People like me have invested years and years into supporting this club and it is not just the domain of the happy clappy love everything people. Why shouldn't customers show their dissatisfaction in this business as much as anyone would in any other. What, they should just pay their money over and accept everything and anything they are dished out? The putting down of the dissent on Saturday appeared orchestrated. That is very sinister if it was contrived and I'm sorry but there is no way people will be silenced in that way. All it will do is encourage more people to demonstrate or even worse more people to forego the Saturday experience. Where have you been in the last decade or so? Have you not seen the scenes around the world in Countries where people have been silenced for years. To simply brand somebody who shouts out a "boo-boy" is condecending. How about "concerned supporter"?
Distant i cant see how its dangerous .. free speech.. He is in this for what he can get on the spin of Getting argyle not buying it... Oh i better clap Fletcher now... i don't boo and won't do that.. but i will not give fletcher any support.. seems like its only you who does. So every thing you buy you are HAPPY WITH EVEN IF ITS **** AND FAILS TO WORK OR ACHIEVE WHAT YOU WANTED T FOR? So just like Argyle we are expected to sit there and take it.. no chance .. Fletcher needs to go very soon.. merry xmas Mr Fletcher.. Fook off
Sensible - That distinction between the fans and the rest was exactly what I meant. Are you classing yourself with the boo-boys then? Armyjoe - If Brent owns 80 out of 80 shares, the club issues 20 new ones and the money for those GOES INTO THE CLUB. There are now 100 shares, of which Brent owns 80% rather than 100% he had before, the money stays within the club and Brent receives no money at all. What you said dangerous is because this 20% share issue is an important statement of intent to bring the fans in. To wrongly suggest that Brent benefits from it likely to put some who don't understand it off the idea who might otherwise support it. Anyone who doesn't understand how it works shouldn't mouth off about it. The fact of the matter is of course that PAFC is worth nothing now and will be worth nothing in the future as it doesn't & can't make any profit. So the fans' 20% might as well be regarded as a charitable give-away, but then, they are supporters and it's no different to the money Brent's put in.
Yes I am in that case notdistant. I may not boo but I'm on their side in their right to show displeasure. I could counter that the ones that blindly follow like a flock of sheep are inately brain dead zombie types who cannot think for themselves. You can sit back and believe everything you are told if you want but some people can actually see the car crash coming because the blinkers have been removed.
