1. Log in now to remove adverts - no adverts at all to registered members!

Deano on Strikers

Discussion in 'Hull City' started by BigotAlertAnalRimMan, Jun 27, 2013.

  1. BigotAlertAnalRimMan

    BigotAlertAnalRimMan New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    3,330
    Likes Received:
    14
    making a ton of sense imo.

    http://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/story-19406519-detail/story.html?#axzz2XNQnR26U

    I also agree with his rating of the strikers we've been linked with. It's not necessarily that SPL and Championship football are extremely weak it's more the fact that I just have the feeling these players are made to look better than they are because of the the players they are around and the opposition they have faced.

    Hooper and Austin have both been over valued possibly because they are british but the only that should matter is whether they can cut it in the PL.
    I feel they have thrived and stood out in ****e teams.


    I know some are reluctant to get a player like Mboyo with his past but considering how belgian players have coped in the PL and when you take into consideration that he was picked over a few more experienced players to replace injured Lukaku for Belgium and when you hear Kompany say that he is the best of his generation, I feel he'd be a better punt.
     
    #1
  2. Girt Bucket

    Girt Bucket Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2013
    Messages:
    3,998
    Likes Received:
    470
    Circa, Hooper, stats, over the 3 past seasons. 21gls/2010. 29gls/2011/ 31gls/2012. If he's in a ****e team, then each team each week over those seasons must of been pretty ****e too. What do yopu think./consistently, What if he did fire in the P/L as a first timer.
     
    #2
  3. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    112,562
    Likes Received:
    78,930
    I have no concerns about Hooper being able to make the step up.

    It's ironic with all these £5m strikers we're looking at, Deano thinks our best bet would be Cole on a free.
     
    #3
  4. bigfattiger

    bigfattiger Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2011
    Messages:
    2,521
    Likes Received:
    32
    yet in one paragraph he says we need a poacher because of Aluko playing deep and the service from Brady and Elmo, then says he favours the typical big hold up forward like Cole who doesn't have the biggest reputation as king of the 6yd box. bit contradictory if you ask me.
     
    #4
  5. Hull City AFC (HCHKR)

    Hull City AFC (HCHKR) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    2,287
    Likes Received:
    918
    Why does everyone want Cole? I personally don't want him
     
    #5
  6. BigotAlertAnalRimMan

    BigotAlertAnalRimMan New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2011
    Messages:
    3,330
    Likes Received:
    14
    Well he's free for a start and he's decent...not my personal favourite but only PL proven one at the minute.
     
    #6

  7. bigfattiger

    bigfattiger Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 5, 2011
    Messages:
    2,521
    Likes Received:
    32
    Odemwingie for a snip?
     
    #7
  8. PLT

    PLT Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    27,472
    Likes Received:
    19,133
    I think Hooper would be a brilliant signing and Austin would be good too but the prices really are crazy. I know it's the case throughout football now but when did Championship players become worth £4-5m? When we sold ***an to Derby in 2007 (as one of the Championship's best players at the time) it was something like £750,000 wasn't it? And that was a lot for a Championship player then. Now the best Championship players go for 5 times that. What the hell happened?
     
    #8
  9. Tuckin

    Tuckin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2011
    Messages:
    8,237
    Likes Received:
    2,794
    ***an really wasn't one of the best players in the Championship. And I believe (though I may be imagining this) his contract was up that summer (he went in January, I believe), so it was a case of getting what they could for him at the time.

    The previous year, Gareth Bale went for an initial £5m, rising to a potential £10m, from the Championship. Granted, he is/was an exceptional case and Hooper and Austin can't be compared to him, but there were big money moves going on back then.
     
    #9
  10. PLT

    PLT Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    27,472
    Likes Received:
    19,133
    I know no one likes ***an now but he was highly rated then, and it wasn't just us getting rid of him it was him going to a better club on the verge of the PL. Bale definitely wasn't the previous year (he scored against us weeks before, in Parkinson's last game), it might have been the following summer though. Still it's a good point, I didn't realise he went for that much. I'm trying to think of players who went from Chanpionship to PL around that time, people like Diomansy Kamara and Michael Chopra. They were more like £1-2m players weren't they?
     
    #10
  11. Tuckin

    Tuckin Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2011
    Messages:
    8,237
    Likes Received:
    2,794
    Good point - Bale actually went at the end of that season.

    Chopra went to Sunderland for a fee "worth up to £5m" (probably around £3.5 in the end, given how he failed there). And Pompey splashed £6m to get Nugent from Preston in the summer of 2007.
     
    #11
  12. GLP

    GLP Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    30,371
    Likes Received:
    28,854
    I agree - Carlton Cole would be a great addition. I can't see him leaving London though with QPR interested.
     
    #12
  13. GLP

    GLP Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    30,371
    Likes Received:
    28,854
    I'd rather have him over either Hooper or Austin. He is proven at PL level, his goal return generally is 10 a season. I'd also try for Odemwingie and then Le Fondre. Bollocks to Austin or Hooper at £5m each - they aren't worth it.
     
    #13
  14. andy payton's mullet

    andy payton's mullet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2011
    Messages:
    5,750
    Likes Received:
    325
    I don't think that's right. He has only reached double figures in the league on 3 occasions, one of which was in the Championship
     
    #14
  15. GLP

    GLP Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    30,371
    Likes Received:
    28,854
    Ok - 206 appearances for WHU and 47 goals - near enough a 1 in 4 ratio. Decent enough for a number 9 in the top flight.
    Season Goals
    12/13 2
    11/12 15
    10/11 11
    9/10 10
    8/9 12
    7/8 6
     
    #15
  16. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    112,562
    Likes Received:
    78,930
    Sorry mate, but those stats are bollocks.

    The 2011-12 season when he scored 15, he was playing in the Championship.

    The 2010-11 season, where you have him scoring 11, he scored 5, the other 6 were in cup games.

    The 2008-09 season, where you have him scoring 12, he scored 10, the other 2 were cup games.

    Even the 2007-08 season where he only scored 6, only 4 were in the top flight, the other 2 were in cup games.

    I don't think he's rubbish, but his goal scoring rate really isn't very impressive.
     
    #16
  17. GLP

    GLP Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    30,371
    Likes Received:
    28,854
    They are goals per season, who mentioned whether the goals were league or cup? So in actual fact my stats are not bollocks. The fact remains he has by and large averaged over 10 goals a season, league and cup.
     
    #17
  18. andy payton's mullet

    andy payton's mullet Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2011
    Messages:
    5,750
    Likes Received:
    325
    But goals scored in the cup aren't going to help us stay in the EPL
     
    #18
  19. GLP

    GLP Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 27, 2011
    Messages:
    30,371
    Likes Received:
    28,854
    Neither are our current options. He's free, he's played most of his career in the top flight. He has a proven track record of goals in the top flight for a striker that provides the physical job. You'd play him up front with an Odemwingie or Le Fondre - picking up the ball when Cole wins it in the area. I doubt we'll land him, but he would add exactly what we're missing up front - strength and experience.
     
    #19
  20. originallambrettaman

    originallambrettaman Mod Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 24, 2011
    Messages:
    112,562
    Likes Received:
    78,930
    Your '206 appearances for WHU and 47 goals - near enough a 1 in 4 ratio. Decent enough for a number 9 in the top flight' suggested that they were his Premier League stats.

    163 appearances for WHU and 35 goals - a 1 in 5 ratio is rather less impressive.

    Odemwinge's 87 appearances and 30 goals - a 1 in 3 ratio, is way more impressive.
     
    #20

Share This Page