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current "pecking order"

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  1. Di Resta is faster than u

    Di Resta is faster than u Active Member

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    9 of 20 races down.

    What do you think the current "pecking order" is where car performance over a grand prix weekend is concerned.

    People are still banging on about Alonso dragging performance out of a bad car which is more a case of "first impressions count" as that ferrari hasn't been a bad car for a good while now.

    I think currently its something like this

    Red-Bull
    Ferrari
    Lotus
    Mercedes
    Williams
    McLaren
    Sauber
    Force-India
    Torro-Rosso

    Caterham
    Marrusia

    HRT
     
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  2. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I? Forum Moderator

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    Red-Bull/Ferrari

    Lotus

    Mercedes
    Williams / McLaren

    Sauber
    Force-India

    Torro-Rosso
    Caterham

    Marrusia/HRT
     
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  3. Forza Bianchi

    Forza Bianchi Well-Known Member

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    At the moment:
    Red Bull
    Lotus
    Ferrari
    McLaren
    Mercedes
    Williams
    Sauber
    Force India
    Torro Rosso
    Caterham
    Marrusia
    HRT

    Red Bull clearly have the best car at the moment, and Lotus have been a lot better than their recent results show. Lotus were clearly second fastest in Valencia and despite Grosjean's early pitstop in Silverstone, at the end of the race he was only 14 seconds behind Alonso. That's why I've put them ahead of Ferrari. As for McLaren, I'm convinced the car is still quick, not as good as before but nowhere near as bad as the pace they showed in Silverstone.

    Overall though, I think McLaren have been the best, closely followed by Red Bull.
     
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  4. di Fredsta!

    di Fredsta! Well-Known Member

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    Over the season:

    Red Bull
    Mclaren
    Lotus
    Williams
    Ferrari
    Mercedes
    Sauber
    Force India
    Toro Rosso
    Caterham
    HRT
    Marussia

    Now:
    Red Bull
    Lotus
    Williams
    Ferrari
    Mclaren
    Mercedes
    Sauber
    Force India
    Toro Rosso
    Caterham
    HRT
    Marussia
     
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  5. StoneRosesRam

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    Red Bull
    Ferrari
    Lotus
    Mercedes
    McLaren/Sauber
    Williams
    Force India
    Toro Rosso
    Caterham
    HRT
    Marussia
     
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  6. BrightLampShade

    BrightLampShade Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    The last race confuses things. Wet practice and a dry race (that supposedly should have been wet) meant teams may have been unlucky/lucky with setups. McLaren now look worse than the looked Ferrari in Aus, but this race should be a better show of who is where.
     
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  7. Delete Me

    Delete Me Well-Known Member

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    Over the season:
    Lotus
    McLaren/RBR
    Ferrari
    Williams/Sauber
    Mercedes
    Force India
    Toro Rosso
    Caterham
    Marussia
    HRT


    Now:
    RBR/Ferrari
    Lotus
    McLaren (New upgrades with limited testing at Silverstone made it look worse)
    Williams/Mercedes/Sauber
    Force India
    Toro Rosso/Caterham
    Marussia
    HRT
     
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  8. Smithers

    Smithers Well-Known Member Forum Moderator

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    Red Bull
    Lotus
    Ferrari
    Mercedes
    Williams/Sauber/Mclaren
     
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  9. EternalMSC

    EternalMSC Well-Known Member

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    I think it differs from race to race, not one team has mastered every type of track, not even Redbull or Lotus have achieved this yet.
     
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  10. TheModestMatt

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    There seems to be a quali pace and a race pace differential, but merging the 2 together I would say:

    Red Bull

    Lotus
    Ferrari

    Williams
    Mercedes
    McLaren
    Sauber

    Force India

    Torro Rosso

    Caterham

    Maurusia
    HRT
     
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  11. El_Bando

    El_Bando Can't remember, where was I? Forum Moderator

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    I think Caterham will be ahead of STR before the year out which is amazing considering STR were point scorers at the start.
     
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  12. happyal

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    No idea why people think the Williams is so good?

    I think it's like this:

    Red Bull
    Lotus
    Ferrari/Mclaren
    Mercedes
    Williams
    Sauber
    Force India
    Toro Rosso
    Caterham
    HRT
    Marussia
     
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  13. u408379965

    u408379965 Well-Known Member

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    I think Ferrari are right up there with Red Bull now, they were similarly paced in Silverstone, and during the race in Montreal, Red Bull were in a class of their own in Valencia but that was always going to be a particularly strong event for them. I think Ferrari will be with them again in Germany and Hungary, Mercedes could also be strong in Hungary if Monaco is anything to go by. I'd say Lotus are just behind them, and then a bit of a gap to McLaren. I think it's hard to place Williams, Sauber and Mercedes because their drivers are pretty erratic, Williams in particular seem to have a very good car. Lotus are also a bit hard to place though, Grosjean (on very old tyres) and Raikkonen were trading fastest laps in the final stint at Silverstone, and it's not like Alonso and Webber weren't pushing at that stage of the race. They also looked like they had race winning pace in Spain and Bahrain. It could be down to a characteristic of the car but before Raikkonen went rallying he used to have a habit of being underwhelming all weekend and then suddenly stringing together a load of fastest laps out of nowhere in the race, so it could be driver related.
     
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  14. McBrianav

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    I felt that the Mclaren was definetely set up more for a wet race, Lewis was reasonably quick in all practise seesions and then almost nowhere in the race, Silverstone was again an anomolous race, same as last year, with the FIA changing the blown diffuser rule. Hopefully Germany and Hungary will see the true potential, however as we all know upgrades do not always work as expected
     
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  15. Forza Bianchi

    Forza Bianchi Well-Known Member

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  16. Max Whiplash

    Max Whiplash Well-Known Member

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    I agree with this. I'd add that tyre strategy blunders also muddy the waters.
     
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