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Crime - part deux.

Discussion in 'The Premier League' started by Sucky, Oct 2, 2021.

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Should crime happen

  1. Go on then why not.

  2. Yes

  3. Stfu sucky

  4. Tobes and peej welch couple

  5. Suck Roy's tits

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  1. brb

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    Treble right now...

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  2. duggie2000

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    Its the difference between believing in your religion and being willing to kill yourself for it

    As in suicide bombers
     
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  3. duggie2000

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    The more common term for it is brainwashing
     
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  4. Sucky

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    Im gonna chuck in the monks who set themselves on fire too.

    Terrorist ****s
     
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  5. brb

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    Cults brainwash, but apart from cults...

    What if a person makes a decision to go kamikaze to pay back a wrong. It can't be an objective decision, because it's influenced by personal feelings, but is it really brainwashing, because if it is, then isn't every human being brainwashed from birth, even peaceful ones?
     
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    Treble's fooked off. <laugh><applause>
     
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    That's not terrorism.
     
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    There's some debate in military circles about how many people will fire in combat.
    A post-WW2 book suggested that 75% of troops wouldn't do it, even when under fire themselves.
    Lots of doubt was poured on this notion, though.
     
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  11. Treble

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    Good documentary that. I kept watching because right from the off it related to something of great personal interest.

    One of the most interesting and most rewarding part of my job is behaviour management. I don't know why but from an early stage I became genuinely interested in children's behaviour and more importantly how to change it. In my capacity I've led on managing and changing the worst possible behaviours of dozens of young children. I've worked with all sorts of external agencies who work with schools - particularly Ed Psychs, Behavioural Support, CAMHS. Seeking and acting upon their advice - often educated trial and error methods because each child is different even though the factors affecting their behaviours may be common. I've done it because - much like we may have an interest in that documentary, I find actually working with children in that capacity really interesting... especially when what you do to tackle it works.

    The thing she began with which got me hooked was the lack of empathy. I've known kids as young as Reception age with no empathy. I've seen children with no empathy - violent, abusive - who aside from that behaviour are really endearing children with otherwise great personalities. Where teachers will say, "when he's not doing these things he is such a lovely, happy boy" I've worked with outside professionals using strategies on these same children with no empathy who completely changed into great kids. I've also worked with kids who I've spoken to professionals around a table discussing the need for intervention and said, "I can see him at 15/16 and he will have done something horrific and he'll be in prison" if we can't change his behaviour now. I've had bare-faced liars and pathological liars

    A lot of the time the lack of empathy is either something related to their family life i.e. attachment disorder. Sometimes it's other mental health issues such as ADHD or ASD. Sometimes it's a combination of some or all. Sometimes you can't pinpoint anything in particular. Sometimes they exhibit the same traits at home and school. Sometimes they only have that behaviour in one setting e.g. at school but not at home. Last year I had one boy who was perfect in school but was unrecognisably horrid at home towards his mum, his siblings... snide violence, blatant violence, lying, showing absolutely no empathy. And he was in year 2. I had to manage the mother to employ strategies at home which I would normally use in school because in school he was good as gold. In the end it turned out mum was emotionally detached. She offered him no warmth or comfort you'd expect from a mum. She was cold towards him. And the more disruptive he became the more cold she would become. And at the same time as a parent she was weak, she didn't enforce the boundaries she set. Even the strategies I worked with her over months to employ she did half-heartedly.

    On another case there was a kid in Year 4, newly arrived, his name was Denis... he would punch, kick, pencil stab children at random, he'd hit and spit at teachers, throw furniture. Soon gained the frowned upon nickname of Denis the menace. He had been the same at his previous schools. He lacked complete empathy. After while of working with children you get a feel for pinpointing what the cause and triggers are, and what might work. We sent this kid away weekly with a simple pack to complete with his mum. One week it was about him and members of his family - drawing them, labelling them, who lives with them, that sort of things they do. Next week it was his favourite food, favourite hobbies. The week after that places he likes to go e.g. the local shops, the park, grandad's house etc. And so on. He would do complete each of these every week. And then he'd come into school and in the morning he was asked to stand at the front and show the class, and talk about them. When he finished, the children from the class would ask him questions about it e.g. what's your brother's name? what does your mum/dad do? The key was the children had to put their hands up and he had to choose them by name. This happened every week for 6 weeks on a different aspect of his life. Soon those children in his class were no longer things for him to attack, but actual individuals who had names and who got to know about his life. By week 3 he was a changed kid. It all stopped. And whilst my colleages and I with the support of outside professionals have had many such successes, I remember Denis with the most fondness and the greatest degree of personal satisfaction because he really was an amazing kid and he was the first, most significant case where something we did had a direct impact on the rest of his life.

    And the reason why I've gone off on a long one, is because this is something that genuinely is quite close to my heart and in relation to that documentary I absolutely believe that if you get the right people with these kids at a young enough age, you can change their lives, change their destinies. Not every one by any stretch, especially those with significant underlying disorders such as ADHD, but even then you can manage them and pass on your knowledge of what works as they move up through the school system and keep your fingers crossed the next set of practitioners will have the same commitment to the cause, but nevertheless if you intervene early enough you can do something about it.

    Anyway Sucky, I haven't read back and I cba to edit it if it don't make sense. It was a good documentary and I'll STFU now <laugh>
     
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    Like Sucky is going to read that <laugh>
     
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    How the fck was that a success?

    I know what you're doing BRB, stfu <laugh>
     
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    Sometimes when he's in the mood. Was worth a 50/50.
     
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  15. Sucky

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    Its nice you got summin out of it mate, my bird gets all gassed every sunday cos the new emma kenny vid goes on, fanboy mate shes seen all #58 shows ffs lol she does watch others and i hate them all cos its just unqualified youtube ****s speculating about cases theyve barely skimmed over at best.

    But like i said i find her vids very good, shes got a talent for speaking in a way that gives you small window into the thinking of these kinda people and shes quite humorous when she can be given shes on about murder all the time<laugh>

    Vegan tho:bandit:
     
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    I did but i cant really go into it with trebs cos i just watch vids and chill. And im cool with that ****<laugh>
     
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    Well I didn't read it on your behalf mate.
     
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    Can he read it
     
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    Well he did actually
     
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    Where did I say it was success, I said it was a horror. My question was a simple one, how's all this psychology work for a kamikaze pilot.

    I merely used the scumbag that did the horrors at Mancheter Arena as an extreme example, are you suggesting that person was brainwashed or not?

    Kamikaze could be a trait in every living human being, unless we are suggesting every human is brainwashed, afterall, everyone of us entered into this world knowing nothing.

    Not one single human baby knew that 'god' even existed and the chances are most people worshipped the god of their parents, if they worshipped a god at all.

    Brainwashing at it's finest.
     
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