Off Topic Charlie Kirk

You might not like his point of view but it’s not a reason to murder him.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cdxqnkwerj7o

 

The world is ****ed up, rip

 

Pretty much.

 

The videos doing the rounds on Twitter are vile, couldn’t avoid them last night, every chance his family seen them. I thought that sort of stuff was no longer allowed on there? Don’t agree with his views but only ever seen him in calm debates with people I hate what this world has become

 

I’ve only seen a couple of the reaction videos, and your description of them as vile is very apt. The age of social media is upon us though and it has created a generation who have no moral filter whatsoever.

 

Everyone wants that viral tweet, some people close to him will have found out what happened via those videos, his kids will probably see them at some point too genuinely have zero faith left in humanity, don’t like him? Dont go to his talk in, don’t watch his content Christ block him or mute his name it’s so easy to ignore people these days

 

I've said repeatedly on here that I think this polarisation of political discussion and viewpoints that exists in the world today is a bad thing. And this is why. I just hope this doesn't cause an escalation. People at both poles need to look at themselves and stop being so narrow-minded, bigoted, and hate-filled.

 

Tend to avoid consuming content in American politics so I haven't heard of the chap.

Regardless this is utterly terrible news for 21st century democracy.

The left needs to take a good hard look at itself, the only way it wins is by being human.

 

Never heard of him before las

I'd never heard of him either, terrible what has happened.

Can't see the relevance of your final paragraph though. They haven't even caught the gunman yet so we can't begin to understand the motive, and to denigrate a whole political movement on the back of this is just crass.

I consider myself to be 'of the left', have I somehow contributed to this? Am I not human?

 

People hoying "the left" around just shows how tainted they are by media.

 

The reaction to this wouldn't be as emotional if it werent for the fact you could see it from 4 feet away with your own eyes via a smart phone.

 

Given who he was and what he did for a living, it would be very surprising if it wasn't politically motivated.

Right and left don't equate to good and bad, they are just standpoints. If you go far enough in either direction, you enter the realms of extremism and its only then that you can start talking in terms of good and bad. And extremism is always bad, no matter what form it takes.

 

Is there only "left" and "right" is there no middle ground? I consider myself left, but I've never shot anyone, nor condoned the killing of someone who is far right.
This is a sickening tragedy and (in my opinion) speaks more about America's political and social culture than it does about an argument between left and right.

 

The sad thing is that watching his YouTube videos he was always respectful when he spoke to the students. His mantra was always bad things happen when people stop talking.

 

Agreed, and that's why we're seeing widespread condemnation of this murder from across the spectrum of mainstream political figures. It's the extremes we need to be wary of.

 

That is not really what he was. He wasn’t there to reach across the divide. He was a grifter. His viewpoint didn’t change. His arguments were mostly facile and he rarely engaged in genuine debate. He was almost always speaking past his opponent and directly to his base. He got absolutely destroyed by that lass at Cambridge but just put everything into spinning it for his drones via social clips. Not the actions of someone with any intellectual curiosity.

It’s a very bad thing that he’s been killed. It demonstrates quite succinctly that his belief that some gun deaths are acceptable to protect second amendment rights was complete nonsense. But this is what America is.

 

Isn’t that what I said? I know the clip you’re talking about. He may have got destroyed but at least he was thought worthy of debating at the Oxford Union in the first place.

 

Unfortunately this is America. He doesn't deserve the outcome yet he's backed people owning guns etc..

The delivery might have been respectful, but the messaging didn't always match it. I seen a one where he told a black lass they were better off under slavery pre 1940.

 

No that’s not really what you said. Your description showed him as someone who was trying to close the political divide. That’s simply not the case. He was a product of the online age. A 4chan troll screaming ‘debate me’ just looking for a platform to throw a few dog whistles out to his base.

 

I think he got that from Thomas Sowell a well respected black professor.