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Celtic tax case

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  1. DevAdvocate

    DevAdvocate Gigging bassist

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    How are they gonna prove this, by asking all celtic fans who attended games where they suspect that the crowd figures had been manipulated to write to them with anecdotal evidence.

    I went to loads of games where the crowd was clearly much larger than the "Official" attendance but could prove it? In a word "No".

    Besides any extra money raised never went towards the betterment of Celtic FC, it went straight into the pockets of the Whites and the Kellys.
     
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  2. Tina_old

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    RB owns eDge and ML :cheesy:
     
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  3. RebelBhoy

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    <laugh><laugh>

    Timpostery at its finest.
    Fine work Declan.

    First blog
    Posted on March 22, 2012 by celtictaxcase
    Welcome to the first instalment of CelticTaxCase. As the thousands who are following on Twitter know our first blog was due for Sunday but such is the unprecedented demand for answers we thought it only fair to do an introductory FAQ blog to outline our intentions and dispel any myths that are doing the rounds on Twitter:



    Q. Why are you setting up this blog?

    A. Over the last couple of years the Internet and social media has been full of Rangers hating &#8216;journalists&#8217; slandering The Club and dragging us to the cliff edge. With The Club now recovering from their sustained attacks and looking to come out of Administration stronger than ever we feel it&#8217;s time that other clubs, specifically Celtics, finances be properly examined.



    Q. Are HMRC currently investigating Celtic?

    A. At the moment the short answer is no. Having said that though the short answer is very misleading. HMRC have declared war on football clubs as Portsmouth, Hearts and Rangers have found out in recent months. There has been also some less well reported exchanges between HRMC and football clubs over the use of image rights which I personally think has certain people at Celtic Park very worried.



    Q. What&#8217;s the deal with image rights?

    A. Image rights are not illegal and are not tax avoidance if they can be justified and are used properly. Maybe Celtic have used them properly and adequately valued the image rights of players such as Nakamura, however, if you look at merchandising and sponsorship figures in Celtic PLC&#8217;s accounts through the years I personally don&#8217;t think the image rights are worth as much as what they were perhaps specified as in contracts.



    Q. If what you think is true what are the implications?

    A. Lets use for example Player Y earning £40,000 a week at Club X for four years. £20,000 is wages and all tax and national insurance is paid properly and £20,000 is for image rights. Player Y earns £4m in total from image rights through the duration of his contract yet only pays 28% rate of tax when in reality he should be paying 50% tax. This leaves a tax shortfall of nearly £900,000. If you multiply that by maybe 5 or 6 players doing something similar and add interest and penalties you are looking at potential liabilities of upwards of £15 million.



    Q. Are Celtic guilty of this? When is the bill likely to land at Celtic Park?

    A. In all honesty at the moment we don&#8217;t know but the chances are they are maybe guilty.



    Q. Without evidence how can you speculate they are maybe guilty?

    A. I&#8217;ve done extensive research into those in power at Celtic Park and believe that Dermot Desmond is the man who pulls the strings over there. It is my personal belief that the rest of them are merely front men. We would suggest that people read up on the Moriarty Tribunal where it was found that Mr Desmond made payments to the Irish Taoiseach Charles Haughey to the value of at least £125,000 via a Swiss bank account which were never declared by Mr Haughey. Although no wrong doing was ever proven against Mr Desmond it does raise serious questions. Especially as this was not an isolated incident.



    Q. Good work. This sounds like potentially a &#8216;smoking gun&#8217;. What else can you tell us?

    A. I personally believe there was something fishy about the deals that saw Roy and Robbie Keane play for Celtic. Some have speculated that Celtic received &#8216;soft loans&#8217; for these deals from the aforementioned Dermot Desmond. I&#8217;m currently investigating &#8216;soft loans&#8217;, whether they are illegal under any article of SPL/SFA regulations and whether they were used at Celtic Park. Could be interesting.



    Q. What about stories of fabricated attendances at Celtic Park?

    A. This is something that will be difficult to prove however it&#8217;s something I will look into. The fact is that back in the 1960&#8217;s the oldCeltic Park regularly hosted crowds of 75,000 people at Old Firm games and European games. In the 1980&#8217;s and early 90&#8217;s the stadium was every bit as busy looking at TV pictures for Old Firm matches but crowds are listed as 52,000. Lets speculate that over a period of 10 years Celtic played an average of 22 home matches a season and rounded down their crowds by 10,000 a match. If the average admission price through those years was £8 we are looking at liabilities of £8 x 20% VAT x 22 matches x 10 seasons x 10,000 fans = £35,200,000! This would be before interest and penalties and could make the Rangers ‘Big Tax Case&#8217; seem almost not worth talking about.



    Q. Is it true Celtic have used EBT&#8217;s?

    A. It is widely recognised that they did use EBT&#8217;s with Juninho. I don&#8217;t know much detail about this but if they were used incorrectly and if they were accompanied by a &#8220;second contract&#8221; then every game he played for Celtic could potentially be deemed 3-0 to the opposition which could result in demotion to the first division and the annulment of Celtics 2005 Scottish Cup victory&#8230; Martin O&#8217;Neill&#8217;s last trophy at the club!!!!



    Q. So what&#8217;s next?

    A. A lot more digging to be done but we will be back at some point next week to put some flesh on the bones we&#8217;ve outlined above. Anyone who can provide us with any evidence to support what we think might have happened at Celtic Park please contact me on twitter @celtictaxcase
     
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  4. MrT

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    **** me.

    This was always gonna happen; Rangers fans deciding that Timmy journos have been causing Rangers problems and doing a similar job to Celtic.

    Frankly it would bore the **** out of me but the yahoos have been ****ing over the Rangers Tax Case for what seems like years. And despite all the ****ing the yahoos still have a raging hard on and blistered hands for it.


    I expect this to grow legs then disappear in a cloud of fart.
     
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  5. RebelBhoy

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    This blog was set up to highlight potential financial doping by Celtic Football Club. In less than 24 hours of painstaking research though my investigation has went way beyond financial doping and way beyond Celtic Football Club.

    What I believe I have uncovered could be potentially explosive with Celtic FC used as a vehicle for some seriously dodgy dealings which would leave the clubs reputation in such tatters it would be damaged beyond repair and in need of being put to sleep like a lame race horse.

    Let me give you a little bit of a history lesson&#8230;

    01/09/2005 Du Wei (China captain) signs for Celtic / 15/12/2005 Roy Keane (Ireland captain) signs for Celtic

    Coincidence? Maybe&#8230; But what is the old phrase? Lightening never strikes twice?

    01/09/2009 Zheng Zhi (China captain) signs for Celtic / 31/01/2010 Robbie Keane (Ireland captain) signs for Celtic

    But what does this mean???!!!

    Regular readers of the blog will know all about my expose on Dermot Desmonds dealings with former Irish Taoiseach Charles Haughey and the well documented Moriarty Tribunal.

    Further investigation has linked Charles Haughey to Ben Dunne (entrepreneur and inventory of Dunnes stores) who is allegedly looking to branch Dunnes Stores to the expanding market in China?

    So what part does China, Ireland and Celtic play in this? Will the British tax payer who has recently bailed out Ireland be happy to find they are possibly maybe in cahoots with the Chinese?

    Why were Chris Killen and Derek Riordan (both signed by Dermot Desmond) plying their trade in China?

    What role do the Keane&#8217;s, Zheng Zhi and Du Wei have in all of this?

    WHAT EXACTLY IS HAPPENING!?

    At the moment I do not know. I&#8217;m not going to get involved in whataboutery I will wait until I have actual solid reliable evidence before I accuse Mr Desmond or Celtic FC or China or Ireland or any wrong doing. All I know is that I can smell a rat a mile off in this who sordid web of deceit, lies and maybe backhanders too.

    Be safe that I&#8217;m going to see this through to the end. Celtic, if they are involved in this potential alliance between the Irish Republic and China will struggle to ever recover. Remember bears&#8230;. The Boyne wasn&#8217;t won in a day. More digging for me tomorrow. FACT!
     
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  6. Psychosomatic

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    Seems legit.

    Worrying times for Roybbie Keanes and China.
     
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  7. RebelBhoy

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    Thank God he hasn't got to the Gadaffi money laundering scheme for the IRA yet. It is only a matter of time.
     
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  8. Mind The Duck

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    I think Trev set this up

    Bastard

    Think of all those games Du Wei, Juniniho and Zing the merciless played...wait a minute, can we offer to replay them instead...we would get more points
     
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  9. rogueleader

    rogueleader suave gringo

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    Rats juice won iz shurt sales in chinastan
     
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  10. anportmorbhoy

    anportmorbhoy Well-Known Member

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    No way man, this can't be true? Surely??

    Was du wei really the Chinese captain? How ****e must they team have been???
     
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  11. Mind The Duck

    Mind The Duck Well-Known Member

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    What about 9/11?
     
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  12. Mind The Duck

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    He wasn't even captain then <laugh>
     
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  13. Psychosomatic

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    9/11 was an inside job, relax, you lot are in the clear. It was done by Jews. (Quickly tiring of the spectacular success of flying planes into buildings, they opted for flying a mere missile into the Pentagon, instead. Jews? Never happy. Proof.)
     
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  14. rogueleader

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    Rats Jews ?
     
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    That actually works on quite a few levels, RL, I'm impressed. I nearly smiled, but pulled back from the brink at the very last minute. Close shave. (You would undermine my depression?)
     
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  16. rogueleader

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    That ennui is a terrible affilction.
     
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  17. Mind The Duck

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    http://celtictaxcase.wordpress.com/

    <laugh> he had me going

    Absolute class
     
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    <laugh><laugh><laugh>.
     
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  19. DevAdvocate

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    <laugh>
     
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    It&#8217;s WALTER!?
    Posted on March 23, 2012
    Bears, bearettes, fellow Proddys&#8230;

    I really do not want to alarm you however, as promised, I&#8217;ve been extensively looking into Holland Street to see if I could find a link between this staunchly named section of the Queens highways and the great Celtic/China scandal. (we will call it Celtichina scandal for short)

    What I&#8217;ve discovered has rocked my world to the absolute core. After doing some extensive research trawling through the archives and land registry office I discovered a bar named The State Bar was located on Holland Street&#8230; Only a misplaced Mo Edu pass from the home of the Celchina, Shanghai Shuffle.

    My interest was immediately taken. State Bar? Free State Bar? Irish Free State Bar?! This required some further investigating&#8230;

    I immediately looked into the history of this bar and what I&#8217;ve found is utterly disturbing and has shocked me to my staunchly Protestant core.

    The State Bar is owned by WALTER SMITH. This is no joke or no whataboutery fellow Bears and Bearettes.

    From the Daily Record and published in 1996, I quote:

    &#8220;Walter Smith is part owner of two other bars in Glasgow &#8211; the State Bar in Holland Street and the Variety Bar in Sauchiehall Street.&#8221; (http://www.thefreelibrary.com/TV OWN GOAL BY GERS BOSS.-a061162844)

    This left me with a million questions and no immediate answers? What is going on here? Is this a coincidence? Why would Walter betray us? Is Walter Chinese?

    Given what Walter has done for The Club I felt terrible to dig deep into this background due to an absolute fear of what I may expose and what this could potentially mean to fellow Bluenoses who worship the ground his brown brogues walk on.

    My investigations took me to look at Walters role in the Rangers Fighting Fund (http://local.stv.tv/glasgow/news/300525-crisis-hit-rangers-launch-fans-fund-for-club/). It came to my knowledge that as well as &#8220;endorsing&#8221; the fighting fund Walter was asked to make the banner to be displayed at the opening of the fund. The banner in question can be seen below:


    Rangers Fighting Fund

    What is the big deal I hear you ask?

    I draw your notice to the PAYPAL (Vatican involvement? Is it a coincidence that an anagram of Ireland China Celtic is Cardinal Li Cinch Tee ?). Not only is PAYPAL (Papal) warning enough that everything wasn&#8217;t quite right with Walter and his banner but the address that the donations were made to really raised alarm bells.

    The paypal email address should have read [email protected] If you check out www.thebluenose.co.uk it takes you to the fighting fund website and as such any donations to that address would go to our famous fighting fund.

    But NO!

    Walter has cunningly put on the address of [email protected] If you check out www.bluenose.co.uk you will find it is the home of this man&#8230;


    Mystery man??

    I honestly kid you not&#8230; Walter has set up a scam to send our fighting fund money to this mystery man cunningly disguised as a clown!!!!

    It is little wonder that our Fighting Fund has raised less than that of Darlingtons when we are been sabotaged by our own?

    So many questions now have to be answered?

    - Why is Walter doing this?
    - What control is does the Clown have over Walter?
    - What is the link between China and the Clown?
    - Are the Chinese Catholics?

    Seems like with all these questions remaining unanswered I won&#8217;t be getting a weekend off.

    See ya tomorrow Bears & remember&#8230;

    We Don&#8217;t Wok Away!
     
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