they harp on about x number of trucks needing to go through the N I border? To get to Eire most come through England [then via Wales ] /Scotland that is via the main ports of SOTON,CALAIS HULL LIVERPOOL and FELIX STOWE and LOWESTOFT and lesser via Plymouth Poole ETC … WHY use these? .. because crossings are short so cheaper. There is 3 or 4 routes to Eire from France but expensive and time consuming! So makes sense to use shorter sea routes! I cant see it is actually just about the Irish back stop [ ALTHOUGH IS A LAND BASED BORDER ] (fromWARREN POINT to MUFF, as the crow flies is about 80 -90 miles but border is 3-4 times that! with about 60 A road plus crossings! That would be accessible [easily] for lgv veh's .. the added mileage on many of them would be abhortive … ) but about the need to not trust people to do the right thing! … Have spot checks and make the penalties substantial … when you send /transport certain goods into out of and around Europe there is way bills ..goods descriptions and invoices .. in todays age a central computer could easily have the details collated ...ANPR COULD TRACK THE VEHICLES! I used to have to give my route /mobile number [ 1990's] to the Swindon Intel security when carrying some £1m of processors. So point of despatch knew where I was going, route [ had tracker on vehicle] and if i had to stop/ change route would get a phone call! So for the low % of goods that would attract "attention" cant be that difficult … they already smuggle millions in ***s and fuel across the border so that wont change!
I think it was broken up and it's constituent parts sold off before the core "name" was bought by the Dutch lot. I think a lot of our stuff currently comes from Swiss based pharmaceutical companies like Roche, Novartis and Bayer. Not sure how they'd be affected because they're not in the EU anyway. I believe we have also just negotiated a trade deal with them post Brexit.
The judges decided it was unlawful because they felt it was a deliberate act to close down the commons to frustrate parliament. Well surely they can say parliament have acted unlawfully because they have been deliberately trying to frustrate those who want to implement the referendum outcome by voting down everything. One rule for one and another rule for the other.
As pointed out, its definitely project fear regarding the stuff they have come out with. Of course there will be an element of delays with deliveries coming from the EU into the UK. But nowhere near the levels they are making out. We won't actually shut the borders down exactly to the minute we end up leaving. There will be a period of time where things will carry on as normal after we leave and we will gradually introduce new rules and get tight on our borders. We will need so many more border control staff. They will need to be trained etc. That will all take time. Also yellowhammer confirms we are ready for in case the delays are as bad as feared by those in project fear camp Also as pointed out by ministers, if there is a shortage of certain medicines, they will just fly some in. Pretty simple.
Playing devils advocate the judges would argue what goes on in parliament is political and not in their remit , that Parliament is allowed to hold the executive ‘the government ‘ to account by being in session, or at least not closed down, is in their remit. The question therefore became whether it was closed in a way that was legal, as the government didn’t even present an argument that it was done in a legal way they had to rule that it wasn’t. I assume the reason the government didn’t present an argument was because it was their view that they didn’t need to as it wasn’t down to the judiciary to decide.
Did you see/hear what happened following the judges decision? That decision was made on the Tuesday. The following day parliament was open for business. The next day (Thursday) from 3pm onwards, hardly any MP's was sitting. They had all finished and went home and didn't return until yesterday - Monday! Here was I thinking the likes of Labour, SNP, Green's, Change and the Lib (not) Dems wanted to talk talk talk about Brexit until the cows come home so they can 'apparently' "scrutinise Boris and the Brexiteers". Yet they finished the week early with nothing else to add/discuss/debate/moan about after just 1 full day of returning to parliament. Absolutely pathetic. Then on top of that, they refused the Tories their recess for their party conference to force Boris and the Tories to go back and forth, back and forth to parliament and Manchester (where their conference is held). More dirty politic games! They were happy to have their party conferences uninterrupted yet they want to disrupt the Tories conference, all in the name of "scrutinise" the Tories, even though they have nothing new to actually say. Again, absolutely pathetic. If I can see this, so many other voters will see this too!
I’m not an expert but much of what goes on in Parliament doesn’t happen in the debating chamber, but in other areas, in different committees etc, I assume that’s what happened here .
BORIS JOHNSON IS SET TO MAKE A FINAL OFFER TO EUROPEAN UNION LEADERS TODAY AND WILL REVEAL DETAILS OF HIS PLANS AT THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY CONFERENCE IN MANCHESTER DURING A SPEECH IN FRONT OF THOUSANDS OF PARTY MEMBERS, ACCORDING TO SKY NEWS. Mr Johnson will reveal the plan he claims will meet the requirements set out by the European Union. Boris is determined to remove the Irish backstop element of Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement but has been warned by senior Conservative MPs who are part of the ERG, such as Mark Francois, that they will vote down the new deal if further changes are not made. Mr Johnson will say that “we can, we must and we will” get Brexit done – because voters feel they are being “taken for fools” by Westminster. He has promised and pledged to take the UK out of the EU with or without a deal. Opposition MPs, lead by Hilliary Benn passed an Act earlier last month to force the Prime Minister to request a Brexit delay if a new deal with EU bosses is not met by the 19th of this month. please log in to view this image The PM will say: “Voters are desperate for us to focus on their other priorities. What people want, what Leavers want, what Remainers want, what the whole world wants is to move on. “That is why we are coming out of the EU on October 31. Let’s get Brexit done – we can, we must and we will.” If the EU rejects the proposals, the government will no longer enter into talks and the UK will prepare to leave the EU with no-deal. All Brexit deal negotiations will stop and a no-deal will be government policy. please log in to view this image A senior Number 10 official said: “The government is either going to be negotiating a new deal or working on no deal – nobody will work on delay. We will keep fighting to respect the biggest democratic vote in British history.” The same source then explained that MPs who are not in government and want to delay Brexit may struggle. He said: “The EU is obliged by EU law only to negotiate with member state governments, they cannot negotiate with parliament, and this government will not negotiate a delay.” Boris appointed close friend and senior Conservative MP, Michael Gove to oversee all no-deal Brexit preparations and mitigate any risks. please log in to view this image The Prime Minister denied that his plan was leaked yesterday. Reports initially suggested that the government was calling for Customs checks to happen 10 miles away from the Irish border, but Boris insists that this is not his plan.
Very interesting another find Anti-corruption NGO Transparency International are getting millions poured into them annually by the EU. Fighting Brussels' corner like a woman possessed is Jo Swinson, wife of TI's Policy Director, Duncan Hames. In 2018, the UK's contribution to the EU was £13.2bn. Someone should report this... please log in to view this image
Another bit of fantastic news Welcome news that the agreement has been reached to roll-over the UK fleet’s rights to fish in Norwegian waters. Ongoing co-operation with our Nordic neighbours is vital as we leave the EU and its disastrous CFP. please log in to view this image UK fisheries agreement signed with Norway UK and Norway have signed continuity agreement which enables UK vessels to continue fishing in Norwegian waters after 31 October.
they haven't actually discussed anything since they went back.... except having slagging match's ...takes me back to when EVERY year we had snow, at school we had the "annual snow ball fight on the games field" used to spend the previous day making piles of snowballs …. they seem to be doing the same...[opposition] …. spend time preparing their bits of paper then descending to the house to deliver their latest barrel scrapings
Exactly my point. The oppositions argument about shutting down parliament was they wanted to be in parliament to scrutinise Boris and the Tories. Yet as we both have pointed out, the opposition has done fuk all, apart from play dirty political games to attack Boris and make him look bad, claiming his language is inappropriate because he keeps calling the Benn bill the "surrender" bill. They want to try and make him look bad because they are gearing up for a GE. That is it. Nothing from the opposition with regards to scrutinise Boris/Tories. So all this stopping parliament from shutting down was for absolutely nothing. Just a complete waste of time. And how much more of tax payers money was wasted too for this?
As a committed 'leaver' I feel very sad the 'remainer mps' and liberal elite will unfortunately win the day. Boris is showing his hand early and the antidemocrats in Parliament will ensure he's screwed before any negotiations with the EU. Some days I almost will the Labour Party to win the GE. They won't touch me but the poor sods who believe in Corbyn will soon realise the folly of their ways. Some need kicking in the balls to know it hurts.
Sorry - another question (not loaded); if talks fail and there is ‘no deal’, what happens with the Irish border then? No border? Or a ‘hard’ border? Or does nobody know?
The governments yellowhammer document tells us what the possible effects are of a no deal Brexit regarding the Irish border. Michael Gove said this document will be updated very soon and will be released for us all to see. But at the moment this is what it says... https://www.not606.com/threads/brexiterrs-vote-today.374602/page-61#post-13142799
