Exactly. Cameron tried to reform the EU. He came back giving us a referendum to stay in the EU as it was or to leave the EU - which means remain and continue as we were or to leave the EU and in doing so leave the single market and customs union. That's all pretty simple. Yet, trying to negotiate a withdraw deal with the EU has been the hard bit. The EU wants to give us a bad withdraw deal and charge us £39 billion for the privileged! They are doing so to make us change our mind as they cant afford us to go because we pay a lot of money to them. They want us to stay. And May agreed a deal with them which meant part of the UK (N. Ireland) would not actually leave the EU. Leaving the EU with an agreement that satisfies all parties would be difficult when you have one side (EU) doing what they can to keep us in the EU and the other side (parliament) fighting with itself where half are trying to stop Brexit as well. What would now be the easiest thing to do for every side of this argument is to just leave and leave with no withdraw deal. Just a clean break. We can then stop wasting parliamentary time and get on with getting a trade deal with the EU, which both sides will want ASAP for their countries and people.
Guys remember the ballot paper said leave or stay. Not leave specifically without any kind of deal. See it works for both of us! And the thing is we're both right, that's the complete cluster**** of a situation we're in now.
R&W I think you just think how can I upset RP again. Yes, 20 bloody Tory rebels. Hundreds of Labour, SNP, Sodding Liberals but YOU have to make out its down to Tory rebels. Typical Remainer spin.
Come on Rp, get it right, it's us racist, thick, xenophobic leavers that are at fault, remainers are always right.
When we joined 40 odd years ago there wasn't a 'deal' then. And we certainly never agreed to join an organisation that took us to the state we found ourselves in 2016. The difference back then we accepted the result. Pity your lot can't do the same now.
what a 24 hours in parliament ..had to check I was not watching a recording of last night, then the penny dropped at the DB it was not BORIS..... however the oppo side still were ranting on about language/terminology and getting in the odd dig … even once again dragging the memory of Jo Cox AND that was after MP's on both sides had spoken out it was not a nice/right way to conduct an argument/ present a statement as opposed to a question It should be noted that it was only labour that that raised her name, [ thus dragging her family and friends (not MP's ) into an attempt at provoking a reply to their vitriolic outburst against BORIS.. and although not picked up today, the comment made that Jo Cox was humbug was not what said , it was to the fact that not only was the one delivering the emotional poison a victim of threats and abuse but both sides of the house or BREXIT suffered the same [ pointed out a few minutes afterwards last night by Bercow. FROM THE OPPOSITION IN A 2 HOUR PLUS SESSION THIS MORNING ...not a single constructive bit of in put... they wanted to stop prorogation to discuss BEXIT so far all they have done is insult / slag off and feel hard done by because their vitriol has basically fallen on deaf ears and they feel aggrieved because they have been made [ in lot, majority of replies] to look " add your own description here " [ my words would probably far to strong] [QUOTE="Redprintt, post: 13178919, member: 1001740"]When we joined 40 odd years ago there wasn't a 'deal' then. And we certainly never agreed to join an organisation that took us to the state we found ourselves in 2016. The difference back then we accepted the result.[/QUOTE] that is what the EU has done since subversive manipulation, planning a stratedgy like a game of chess .. offering something that looks good but then all of a sudden when to late you have been trapped and you cant push a [back] <- button! In an effort to qualify as a member state of the EU Croatia, had to have a minimal standard of certain things one of which was human waste disposal … they diverted millions of gallons of sewage into the underground aquifers! [caves ] In 2011 I was there and at a BBQ " in our honour" it was discussed that the town we were in were rebelling against the order to complete a sewage line and terminate it at point metres away from a cave system! Over spill would of course find its way underground! The EU makes the conditions but the inspections are most likely a pie and pint in the local hostelry!!!!????
Yep, because if it had ended 52:48 in favour of remain, your heroes Nigel Farage, JRM, etc would definitely have all just shut up wouldn't they...
It just goes to show what a gutless, spineless, yellow buncn of cowards the opposition is, all mouth, all froth, all self, just holding and blocking everything so they can hold on and try to deny the rightful majority their lawful rights. Disgraceful and no honour, what a band of stinking earthworms.
I didn’t mean to upset you RP. I just wanted to remind those who are blaming Remainer MPs entirely alone for the reason we haven’t Brexited yet that we might have done if May’s deal had been passed. Votes from those 20 or so Tories might have been enough to push it through. Not that I wanted May’s deal - it was like Remain - except not as good!!!! Like most of you I am just weary of this ‘limbo’ situation and want it over and done with so I can get in with my life.
I have no problem with MPs voting against Mays deal if they genuinely felt it wasn’t good enough and encouraging her or Boris to get a better deal, the trouble is there are too many remainer MPs , mainly Lib Dem’s, who are just trying to stop Brexit happening altogether. It’s neither Liberal not Democratic.
Your entitled to your views Wiz , but when people start name calling it detracts from their argument rather adding to it. It’s often better to attack the issue rather than the individuals.
Mainly Lib Dems? They have only 20 or so MPs. The SNPs have about 10. Aren't the Labour Party the main faction opposing Brexit? And ironic when so many of their voters in the North voted Leave.
Maybe you are right Ashton but I have never seen such a sad, whimpering , false buunch of self serving, sorrowful specimens, they are the issue, they are destroying our democratic rights, I honestly hope there is a way through and we clear out the rubbish that are pretending they care or would bleed for our nation, it's sickening and what is even more sickening is the people they are fooling.
Careful wiz, that's worse than the 'language' used in parliament yesterday by Boris when he kept calling the bill the 'surrender bill'
I listen to your advice cjs but you and I know what real differences and arguments are all about but we sorted it all out and we didn't go crying to nanny.
