Okay you locals what the hell is this all about.....£50 million leisure development....INCLUDING A MULTI-SCREEN CINEMA...it has been two years in the planning. PCC surely haven't given the go ahead for TWO MULTI-SCREEN complexes in such a close proximity. James Brent must surely know about it if it has been in the pipeline for up to two years....what the hell is going on. ANSWERS PLEASE.
He obviously never give a big enough envelope.. why do we want all the cinemas?? who goes to these places!!
Hmmmm I would be delighted if Bretonside was even developed as a multistory toilet block, as that would be far better than the eyesore that that area currently is . The article in the herald is pretty definite that this cinema etc is going to happen and the company has a decent track record of delivery. 3 cinemas in Plymouth might be too many but I guess Bretonside would serve those in town for the night, whilst HHP would mainly attract those in the local densely populated areas, and Vue would be used by every one else. I cant really see all three being sustainable though. More surprising is that the development is to include 14 restaurants - that's an awful lot of oggy shops in one location.
Vue has a history of following through with their plans, Brent has yet to get one of his off the ground ..... think its a much better idea to rebuild Bretonside it is an eyesore and lets the rest of the city centre down.
Hopefully this may change plans a little on the grandstand development together with getting rid of the ice rink and concentrate on more seating capacity. Surely plan b & c were drawn up too in case of any changes down the road.
Hopefully this may change plans a little on the grandstand development together with getting rid of the ice rink and concentrate on more seating capacity. Surely plan b & c were drawn up too in case of any changes down the road.
The planning permission will have locked in what is to be built Bedoboy, unless Brent wants to start the process from scratch, which he won't because it's too difficult and too expensive. Also, this is only an outline proposal which has yet to go to planning, The Council may yet make the point you are, that there's no need for another cinema and even if they do go for it, it'll take at least a year to go through planning, let alone into construction. Get's the Council off the hook with the collapsing car park but not for years, so the City Centre will be down on parking space until then.
Grasping at straws springs to mind with any of that. If the build at Home Park is to go ahead at all, and I'm not yet convinced it will despite all the words from the Owner, then it will go ahead as it stands and no amount of wishing for something else will make something else appear. The only hope anyone who is against the proposals has got is that it goes tits up and doesn't get started. That might mean Argyle going with it of course unless a successor appears to Brent. Now plenty of people will be saying that is a way out but will only base it on some assumption that somebody else would want Argyle. "No club has yet gone out of business" is also the usual cry. Well there will be one day so why not us setting the precident. I have heard that there is to be a new housing estate built locally and the development of Millbay will creat thousands of jobs. Implications are that the population of the City will rise by some 50000 over the next 10 years. With that in mind as a possible then having another Cinema and numerous eating out places in the City would not look so daft. If that isn't on the cards then it does seem a bit on the daft side. What you would have Cinema wise is one for the out of towners visiting in the City Centre, one for the residential part of the City in the Peverell area. Highly residential that is and another for the other side of town. 3 large cinemas is no that daft if you put it that way. Bretonside needs something to happen to it which I think most would agree with. If you have ever been in there early in the morning then you would double that thought. For anyone coming to the City to see that as a first stop is hardly the greatest advert. The proposed Coach Station to take it's place would not be out of place where it is proposed i.e. the old TV station car park at the bottom of town. I think with things like this you need to step back and look at everything as a whole rather than isolate one thing and judge it. I will wait and see what the whole proposal is first.
Pretty much spot on Sensible. The city needs to push ahead and developments like this are what's needed - together with a better rail connection. If the city grows and becomes more prosperous then it can be no bad thing for PAFC. I don't agree though that there's anything desirable at all about Home Park staying as it is. The old Grandstand side, the area behind it and the corners where it meets the horseshoe are an eyesore which let us down badly. It's really not consistent with a go-ahead club and this must be obvious to prospective players, sponsors, businesses that might entertain there and a host of other people. The sooner the demolition starts, the happier I'll be. If it doesn't happen now, the chances are we'll be stuck with the current mess for a decade or more.
If indeed there would be a "somebody". Wish away but I think your well will have gone dry. Taking Brent's track record so far there is every chance it won't get started anyway. We don't actually need the mayflower side size wise right now even if it does look crap so if it doesn't get built then apart from looks it won't harm the club. I suspect it might be a while before we are anywhere near needing the space.
What is happening with all Brent's other ventures he got from the Council? Pavillions ect? If he is skint he may not get any more as he won't be able to fill the envelopes!!
Short of putting itself in suicidal financial ruin again, face facts for goodness sake. A lower league football club such as ourselves will NEVER finance a new grandstand by itself. You don't have to be a financial genius to work out that this is even more the case when the stadium is less than half full now. Your attendances will be exactly the same whether you build it or not and so there is ZERO additional revenue from the new seats. Quiet literally, it won't pay back. Given there's no financial return, who else but a property developer is going to do it unless it's effectively a give-away in return for a large and profitable project on the back of it? Nobody. Ever. Criticise Brent by all means but don't live in cloud cuckoo land. It's not only stupid it sows ideas that are dangerous for the club.
That's why getting promotion from the playoffs is so important that it should put 1.5/2K to the average home gate. With some attractive teams in L1 these days will also pay dividends. Not so sure about getting the same attendances if new stand was finished as proven by other clubs that have new grounds and stands but admit it wouldn't be a huge increase. Pretty sure our average attendance of 6.5K+ for L2 would better the old HP. days.
Here's a picture of Reading's new ground: please log in to view this image Sorry wrong picture, that's actually the adjacent hotel. The project cost £50m and is partly financed by ground sharing with London Irish. The land was acquired for £1 as it's an ex landfill site. Any thoughts where Argyle would get that sort of money? Reading are getting between 16 and 20k in the Championship with the 20k versus local rivals QPR. That level of gates could more or less be accommodated by the New Home Park with the extra rows added if ever we get back to the Championship. As Brent has pointed out, money becomes no object if you get to the Premier League. Hull's old Boothferry Park is now a housing development which no doubt financed the move, plus the ground share with the local rugby league side, who average around 12k per game, about twice what we're getting at the moment. The football club averaged 17 to 18k in the 2 most recent seasons in the Championship, including a promotion year. That would again more or less fit into the New Home Park. The KC Stadium seats 24k and cost £44m. Any thoughts where Argyle would get that sort of money?
Meant that all clubs benefited from new grounds etc, not less Punchdrunk....hard day at work lol! Argyle promotion is first priority to L1 this season which was a dream 6mths ago, then maybe Brent can figure out a clearer picture on what the hell is going on himself. As the club stated before a playoff place is our aim... mmmm? but it does not guarantee promotion?
Meant that all clubs benefited from new grounds etc, not less Punchdrunk....hard day at work lol! Argyle promotion is first priority to L1 this season which was a dream 6mths ago, then maybe Brent can figure out a clearer picture on what the hell is going on himself. As the club stated before a playoff place is our aim... mmmm? but it does not guarantee promotion?
Have they got an ice rink and cinema at Reading? Its a nice building... i have been to the stadium but no idea what else it had. we went for the football not the crap besides it.. only beer..
Never been myself but looks nice stadium on tv....seems like to survive in the Prem. that a 40K+ stadium is needed....likes of Reading, WBA, Hull, etc. and of course Pompey that had a good spell in the Prem. cannot afford to survive regularly on 25K max capacity....Argyle need to have an excellent plan to stay top flight
Frankly this is nothing to do with ambition. The old stand is an embarrassment- at the moment all anyone seems to be able to afford is to knock it down and replace with a 'cheapish' new modern basic facility financed by other facilities which is big enough for the next 10-15 years- by when I suspect the horseshoe will also be knackered. In the very unlikely event that we ever get to the prem and stayed there, then I suspect the best solution would be to relocate lock stock and barrel to another area probably out of town- but guess what, that is light years away.
Punchdrunk comes from an ATD background where if you say something often enough it becomes a fact even if there is no evidence to support the argument. On there you have to believe everything Brent is evil irrespective of any evidence. There would be an alternative owner, fact, there would be bums on seats to fill whatever size stadium you build, fact. And so on and so on. There is no taking a stance that some things are bad and some things aren't. I'm not in disagreement that the old stand is tired and needs knocking down. I would prefer a bigger replacement than is planned. I am not convinced however that Brent will build the replacement. He might but he hasn't got started on anything yet and all there seems to be is excuse after excuse why.
