I'm blaming the Euro Lotto for not picking my numbers last week Lyndy, then there would have been an alternative
He is a liar, agreed! he likes to look after the council leaders not the fans it seems who look after him..
I don't go along with the "greasing palms" bit. There is no evidence to suggest anything of the sort. I don't even mind Brent making a profit either. As for saving the club I personally think all Brent has brought to the party is his name. He most certainly hasn't brought any money that I can see. PCC provided the cash to pay off the creditors by repurchasing the ground and all Brent has done since is loan Argyle something. He will want it back on top of anything else he makes one day so he won't lose there either. I don't have an alternative plan because I couldn't have one. I don't have the cash to buy the club and the know how to produce a plan either. I base my judgement on what I see of him as a person. That person has not, in my opinion, told the truth as he said he would. I WAS told all of the outlets built into the stand would be for the benefit of the football club and I don't care what anyone else was told or what they think makes sense. I don't care if that was never viable it was as told to me personally by Brent's Rep on the day and what I expected to happen. Clearly that was never the intention. I don't go along with the crap that Brent cares so much about the region he was moved to do something for it. He saw an opening and filled the gap with no thought whatsoever for the people of Plymouth or supporters of PAFC. Yes we might well have gone into liquidation without him at the outset but that does not change the fact that he has lied at worst and bent the truth to suit at best. We will never know if anyone else would have turned up. they may have even if it was a long shot. I don't like liars. Ergo I'm not kean on Brent and it is that simple. Not all of the above is opinion only.
Well Said Sensible, but the palm greasing still goes on!! He is a liar and will never do anything for the people of Plymouth. He does not give a **** only interested in what he got from the council for taking on the club..
It's built on land that USED to belong to the club GAT, briefly, during the reign of the much vilified Paul Stapleton. Belonged to once, not now. There's all the difference in the world. The land was lost when Gardner inexpliciably drove the club to the brink of extinction. It happened, there's no way back, get over it. Just be grateful we escaped by the skin of our teeth and learn the lesson. I'm like Lyndhurst really - this debate is pointless. If you believe making money is a sin, there's no point. If even more outlandishly, you think making money from projects which will benefit the community is a sin, there's even less point. If you think there has to be corruption for public bodies to encourage projects which will benefit the community then that's a desperately sad view of the world. I wouldn't say I was naive but if you can't think the best of people when there's absolutely no evidence to the contrary, God help us all.
If the outlets are being built on what is now Home Park then it does belong to us via the council ..... we own Home Park as it stands .... How can you think good about someone who you have irrefutable proof that he has lied !
It is interesting to note that whichever party is running the council seem to be on the same cosy footing with James Brent. Welcome Punchdrunk always nice to have new posters joining us.
And the council have decided to put what's theirs into a scheme that will benefit the whole of the city. I fail to see what's wrong with that. Let's not forget that if by some miracle Argyle had managed to save itself, it would have been so financially ruined that there is no way on Earth that it could have financed a new stand itself, never mind the rest of the development. So you're complaining about someone taking away something the club never had to start with. Wecome Punchdrunk, if you're from ATD I doubt we'll agree on much but then, it's me and Lyndhurst in the Sensible Party versus the rest anyway. But all new posters are welcome! PS, just diverting onto football for once ..... Boco .... Nooooo .... Why?
Sensible is the sensible one!! Punchdrunk i am with you with the greasing of the palms and the Brown envelopes.. Yes Pengelley and tudor evans had theres greased no doubt.. Both are scumbags.. yes who ever is in charge Brent is always happy with them.. wonder why.. It will be no different with Brent than with Gardener and Toad!! When i stated such vile things about them when they joined the club with the surfer man on the old 606 i was slated there.. but i was right come the end after saying it would take us to administration.. no one listened then.. not to worry.. i don't have a problem with any one making money.. that is what we all want . but there is a good way to do it.. i dont get my contracts easily some times you have to fill the envelopes up some times only half full.. Not a thing i do
As you can see Punchdrunk there are differing opinions on this board, some like Notdistant & Lyndy who think they are right and the rest who know that they are right .... Welcome aboard
Punch, it made it to the chambers with the help of the likes of Tudor and penguilty! it must have been a greasing Day.. The 5 rows on the shelf is for the prawn squad.. f**king brents council chums will be on there on a freebie... Pengelly went on a freebie to south africa with the likes of toad and co.. no different she gets involved with brent now ... stupid cow
Is this the same council Notdistant who spent £670K on a fact finding mission on how to save money .... and the same council who wasted money covering the city centre in fake snow for the switching on of the Christmas lights .... not a very good track record is it
Same idiots who wasted 110k on naming us Ocean City .. were is the Ocean.. The city is a **** hole.. with a pile **** running it.. clueless.. but they are ok as their envelopes are full .. that is why they like the people like Brent and co... Is pengelly still the mayor/mayoress as i don't have no idea what that person is!! well i do but could not put that on here ... Pity they did not plough more money into looking after children with complex needs instead of their parents having to fight for it while they waste the money on crap .. no wonder i get pissed off with them... A vote is wasted on them moorons!!
Save money Gat, get rid of most of the idiots... i could save them a fortune with the likes of the people on the council services i deal with are a complete waste of space...
I can't agree I'm afraid, maybe my traditionalist values in me. Your there to support a football club not the the town or city's public amenities. Yeah ok, that might mean you never hit the top flight but in my opinion you can shove the pampers league where the sun don't shine. Local government officials start leaving themselves open to questions once you go down the line that I'm reading on here has been taken.
Or of course it could be that I (and notdistant) prefer to base our opinions on logic, realism and with due regards to the facts whereas others prefer to allow their their prejudices, rumours and a general dislike of anyone with money or power to influence their outlook. The only piece of evidence for their standpoint appears to be some incorrect information that was passed to Sensible by an employee of JB surrounding who would benefit from the rents of the retail units. Whilst this was unfortunate I doubt it was a deliberate attempt to mislead anyone and in any event it had/has no bearing on any formal process or decision making. Back handers, money in brown paper bags and bizarre comments by Punchdrunk are laughable- of course if you don't like the accepted process, use your democratic right to remove those guilty of whatever you seem to think might be going on in your parallel universe.
And I think you will find that the 'corporate W***kers' will pay considerably more and therefore inject more money into the club than those who choose to sit elsewhere. Why don't you offer JB the money that would allow him to build a better and bigger stand? Oh funnily enough there doesn't seem to be a queue of people wanting to put their money (or don't have it) where their mouth is. Not sure why anyone thinks they have the right to influence the future plans of a private entertainment business that will ultimately succeed or otherwise on how many want to pay to experience what is on offer.
Punch, exactly correct. The only winner in this will be the council and the leaders. Not PAFC.. oh and Brent will do ok.. As for the people that think the greasing of palms and other areas dosent exist they must live in a different world.. of course this happens ..We don't need an ice rink we have one.. In order for Brent and the council to get what they want, that is why the stand is being or may be built in the way they agreed.. i doubt it will happen in Brents time here.. I also beleive what sensible was told at a meeting a while ago, we know who the liars are!!
