Blimey plym don't hold a grudge will you......were you in a car or horse and cart? I eat meat and I enjoy eating meat. I would not want to kill it myself having reared it to eat so I am happy to pay others to do the deed for me. I was born with teeth that make me naturally a carnivour and plant eater so see nothing wrong with eating either I have evolved to eat. If I was a Farmer and owned chickens which a fox took a fancy to then I see nothing wrong with the Farmer blasting the **** out of the fox with a 12 bore. People naturally defend their own possessions and again it is something we have evolved to do. That isn't sport that is necessity if you want to protect your living. Chasing one around the countryside with a pack of dogs just because you can however has no purpose other than to exercise the dogs and is definately not sport. Sport is competition and there is none in this activity other than from the dogs point of view. Why don't we chase people around the countryside with dogs and let them get chewed to pieces? Mind you I could think of a few I wouldn't mind that happening to. I see no point in hunting unless you eat what you kill and then I have no problem with it. One for milton here also. In the Navy (no not the Village People Navy) the abbreviation NAAFI was used to describe people with little interest in advancement or a career who just liked the drinking bit at the end of the day. It stood for "No Ambition And F**kall Interest". Glad to see you were one of them then.
Plymborn - Old ladies who wander around the shops at an unacceptably slow pace and cannot make a till payment in under 40 minutes annoy me but I realise they can't be banned. A bit of traffic on a country lane seems a pretty trivial reason to have the government intrude on personal freedom yet again doesn't it? LaLa - So farm animals have 50,000 volts shot through their brains 10 seconds before being fed to the rotating knives and that makes it OK? Give me the life & the death of a fox any day, nice dry den, prowling around chasing stuff and a bit of mating on the side. Bit better than being penned up until the time comes for the chop. Sensible - OK it's a pastime not a sport, which evolved from an essential need to control fox populations. I particularly like your comment "I see no point in hunting unless you eat what you kill and then I have no problem with it.", which neatly covers shootin' n fishin' - which do you do? What we have now is a vast cold-hearted industry which uses & slaughters animals on an industrial scale to provide meat. Some time after we evolved carnivores' teeth, we evolved the capacity for moral judgement, so I'm not sure our teeth are a justification. Whilst that's in place it's intellectually bankrupt to make a very selective moral argument against hunting. But then, the ban wasn't introduced on moral grounds was it?
I don't fish or shoot notdistant. I'm the absolute when it comes to cowards. I don't mind other people doing my dirty work and eating the end product as long as I don't have to see it or do it myself. Which Hunt do you belong to? Fancy picking on old ladies who are slow. I can't believe you are so cruel. You'll be hunting them with dog packs before long. Mrs lalala sort him out.
I have a solution to the hunting row .... every hunt should have a raffle and one of the lucky huntsman become the prey for the day and if they are lucky enough not to be torn to shreds by the dogs they get to hunt the following week and if they do get torn to shreds for that split second they will know how the fox/deer feels !
Distant, You have confirmed to me you are indeed a toff, only a toff would prefer to kill for fun than for food. Factory farming has become intense due to demand and that demand is due to over population. No one likes the fact that animals die for food but it is nature my friend, the way it is meant to be. Can you think of a better way to kill cattle than the method currently used - bearing in mind the quantities needed to feed our ever growing population. Maybe we could set the hounds on all the newborns to control the population if you like. GAT has the best idea, as you are such an advocate of the hunt and indeed a fox's life why not go for a run whilst sensible, GAT and myself come after you with a pack of dogs.
Just had another thought on their first hunt they got "blooded" I believe they smear the fox's tail across their forehead ..... guess what they could use as a substitute .... I personally think it solves all problems .... the huntsman still get to hunt only its themselves that they hunt and kill and the anti-hunt are happy because the poor defenceless animals are left alone !
Its all good reading here!! I am keeping out of this one . As i come from a farming background and do not wish to comment either way. But keep going i like reading the comments. Hope all are well. it is a bit boring without the football and the prediction league. I think Mrs lala should do a league for the euros?? only a thought as i know your busy.
Plym they all like a drop of stuff before they set out on the hunt! i don't know about the drivers i mean the hunts men/women on the horses. Did they catch the fox plym?
He hasn't a clue joe he was too busy writing to his MP......... I can't even get excited about the Euros joe. Somehow International football has become as boring as hell and not a very good spectacle. Predictions are quite easy. 0 -0, 0 - 1, 1 - 0. A bit like watching Argyle. I will watch the Bayern v Chelski match tomorrow but mainly because there is never anything else on a Saturday worth watching on TV. No even bothered if Chelsea win either but suppose I should back them as they are English even if most of the players aren't.
LaLaLa I said upfront I'm not supporter of hunting in any way shape or form and I'll add that I don't know anyone who hunts, that I'm aware of anyway. What I said was that I'd rather live the life - and suffer the death - of a fox than that of a factory farmed meat animal. What I am is sick to death of successive governments interfering in the silent majority's personal liberty in one area after another on the "advice" of a few trumped up single issue pressure groups. Anyway, I've had enough to say on this generally but I need to correct you on something important. It's a well established fact that taking a large part of your diet in meat, as we have done for generations in the developed world, requires much agricultural resource than feeding the same number of people a non-meat diet. It must be so if you think about it as we feed the animals to produce meat and that cycle must be less than 100% efficient. Considerably less food value comes out of the system than we put in. This is rather like the crazy process governments have allowed to develop in the energy industry, whereby we burn vast quantities of natural gas to supply electricity at much less than 100% efficiency. It won't be long before the gas runs out and they tell all of us we have to rip out our heating systems and put in electric ones to use electricity generated goodness knows how. If you need proof how little strategic thought politicians put into things, there you are in a nut shell. So as we go on eating meat and the new economies like China & India become prosperous and want to eat more meat too, which is already happening, food shortages will get worse.. It will be worse still if the environmental lobbies are allowed to pressurise us into growing bio fuels. Factory farming of meat isn't the solution, it's a key part of the problem in feeding the world.
Good Morning All .... I know what you mean Joe I had a friend who was a farmers daughter and she went on hunts but it was a subject we both avoided and the only time I think we really fell out over it was when she took me to the start of a hunt and they put the plate infront of me collecting money and I told them where to shove it, politely of course lol
I've made my point and I won't comment further with regards to hunting and meat eating. I am and always have been anti blood sports and I'm no veggi. End of debate for me.
Hello, Gat. Every one has their own say on hunting. I am not getting involved in the debate. had enough debates on hunting. Every one cannot agree on everything. Hunting has been happening a very long time approx 300 years or so. It will never cease. Sensible i don't mind the euros, i doubt we will be any good again. At least the Germans lost on penalties last night Poor old germans
Yes they are rather good at those generally! Another take on the hunting (without starting the debate going again) is that where my buddy lives in Virginia they hunt, it is the norm but they do eat theit kill about 80% of the time and they shoot their prey. Of course the USA is a huge area and they have a lot more and more varied wildlife than we do and for them hunting is done not only for food but to keep the deer population down (that's getting kinda out of hand where I am too) but it's also a sport for them and has become a way of life. I have discussed all this with my bud and we have our own views but agree to differ on that one. Maybe we should do that here too!
Typical woman, always trying to cause or start an argument..............now guns and Americans....hhhmmmm!!! Now that is an altogether other argument. With their track record on "friendly fire" no doubt more hunters get shot than the hunted.
Fancy culling the old dears......cuts down the need for nursing homes is not a reason for getting rid of mother-in-laws, or killing them for food,they'd be too tough to eat surely. It'll be bears in Canada next..........personally it should be those damn Canada geese turning our parks into no go areas.
You shouldn't be lurking in parks in the first place at your age plym you can get a bad name doing that as I once told a Constable. You can't be a twitcher and then be selective about the birds. It just seems that you love all the little feathered things until one gives you a hard time and then you turn murderous all of a sudden. Have you ever seen "The Shinning"?
Sensible......I'm told they are too tough to eat.......no redeeming features at all........send em back to the colonies thats what I say.
