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Discussion in 'Chelsea' started by District Line, Nov 21, 2012.

  1. Ivor Biggun

    Ivor Biggun Member

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    It's obvious to anyone with half a brain city are trying desperately to comply. Hence the lack of spending compared with 2 years ago. FYI owners can't pump money in through sponsorship either, UEFA judge every deal on whether it reflects fair market value and they say how much it's worth.

    I don't know why im wasting my time (actually I do), for all this big talk of maturely discussing the issue none of you address it at all.

    Im disappointed in you especially Bloo. If you're going to call me out on not being willing to discuss it in a mature way the least you could do is try.

    "ROMAN IS CLEVEAH HE A BAJILLIONAIRE"

    Is not a mature discussion, its not even an intelligent standpoint because Roman might believe he can get around FFP but Barcelona, Madrid, United, Arsenal and every other major team seems to think complying is the smart move. Even city as previously mentioned are trying. Oh and Roman isn't clever, his Billions did not come about because of some vast intelligence but by shady dealing.

    Why don't you try again with an easy one. How much do you think Chelsea will need to increase revenue by in order to break even next year considering you gambled on big transfers and are crashing out of the CL early?
     
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  2. seanDCFC

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    Fifa won't have the balls to kick teams out of these competitions, as it stands they would have to kick out a lot of big Italian clubs, spanish clubs, russian and english clubs and PSG. You really think that will happen? i don't, if they do I think we will see a breakaway league soon. The champions league and europa leagues would become a joke and the TV companies won't pay big money to see **** teams compete in it.
     
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  3. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    You sir, are an uneducated buffoon.

    We loved him because he overachieved with LFC, he loved our club and he protected us. He defended us against the media, rival managers (typically those who are mates with Fergie).

    He may have spent £229m but how much of that did recoup? He had to sell to buy which is never easy, especially when you're competing with richer clubs like MUFC and Chelsea. He had roughly £10m net to spend each season which isn't a significant amount and this reduces further considering one of his signings (Torres) went for £50m.

    Also, the squad was lacking depth so he had to buy cheaper squad players - some paid off, some didn't. Remember that these players weren't his first choices. But when given money and when he was allowed to sign his FIRST choices, he pretty much got it right. It's well known that Rafa wanted to sign Dani Alves (at Sevilla at the time), Mata, Silva, Hazard, Jovetic, Falcao. And look at them now.

    Reina
    Johnson
    Agger
    Skrtel
    Mascherano
    Alonso
    Torres

    Then you have fringe players who were very solid such as Arbeloa, Aurelio, Yossi, Kuyt, Maxi and Riera.

    They formed the spine of the team and are considered to be world class players. It's difficult to buy a single player who goes onto become top/world class but Rafa had 6/7 of them. No doubt you will turn to Robbie Keane but he wasn't a first choice and wasn't HIS choice full stop. He did fail with Aquilani which is surprising because he actually is a good player but never got the chance.

    If you bothered to read my previous post then you would have noticed that I had covered his rotation policy. A team that is competing on many fronts needs a big squad and fresh legs. Evidence shows that even your beloved Fergie rotated his squad as much as Rafa, Mourinho and Wenger did yet Rafa was the only who was blasted for it. It's no coincidence that our second half of the season was usually better than the first half and that was down to rotating the team and keeping the players fresh. In addition, he didn't rotate certain players - he left the core alone.

    And his man management style is always debated but I'll tell you this. The top class players in our side such as Reina, Skrtel, Agger, Aurelio, Arebelo, Mascherano, Kuyt, Torres never said a bad word about him. Even Alonso admitted it. The only people that didn't like Rafa were the ones who were sold on, or had a bad attitude like Babel, Yossi and Riera and look how their careers have panned out? If you have a desire to succeed and work hard, then Rafa will give you all the time. But if you have a poor attitude, then you will be shipped out.

    And he didn't engage in mind games. He was simply defending himself and his club. As mentioned previously, his best attribute is his ability to ignore everyone and do what he thinks is best for the club. He won't bow down to media pressure or the supporters.
     
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  4. ShanksHateTheMancs

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    Great post wasted on a guy who's ego is too big to let anything other than his own opinions and bias in.
     
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  5. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    Haha I know but I had to get it off my chest ;)
     
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  6. But 'Pool shouldn't have been under-achieving, not with all the money that Coco spent on players, nor with the amount of money that 'Pool pays in wages to keep players at the club, that's the whole point, Mouser!




    Roy Hodgson would have done all of those things, if only you Mousers had given him the time, but you didn't. You turned on him because he has a speech impediment. So, please, spare me your crocodile tears.




    <doh> That isn't the point! He still spent £300 million on new players. If those players were not worth the money, then why replace them? Can you not see that, Mouser?

    Towards the end, Benitez completely lost the plot and literally did not know what he was doing. That is why he has been out of work for so long.

    He's been brought into Chelsea only because Mad Dog has spent £50 million on an absolutely donkey, and has been made to look foolish (something that will really grate on him), and he believes that Coco has some kind of magic formula that will miraculously turn a burnt-out former superstar back into the player he once was. As soon as it finally dawns on Mad Dog that that isn't going to happen, Coco's feet won't touch.
     
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  7. CPofL KTBFFH

    CPofL KTBFFH New Member

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    This year under FFP we have made a profit.Assuming we go out the cl the loss is not even close to the extra tv revenue from the new tv deals so thats covered already. Add in 4 major sponsorship deals and one to be announced in Jan that will trounce those 4 deals. On top of that the 'spending spree' is spread over the length of players contract so 5 years. Add to that that you're allowed to 'lose' upto 45m the first 3 years,year 1 we made a profit so over the next 2 years we're allowed to still lose 45m. Zero problem at all for us but hey thanks for the concern.
     
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  8. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    You've obviously missed the point about spending £10m net a season during his tenure.

    I recall Fergie attacking Fernando Torres and what did Roy do? Absolutely nothing. He didn't his own player against our biggest rival? That was just one example.

    Apologies, I didn't realise that Rafa was given £300m up front to spend on players. How naive of me?
     
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  9. <doh>
    No, I haven't missed any points!

    You use the expression "£10m net," right? "Net" of what?

    That's right, it's the difference between what the club received for players (ie. good players that Benitez built his reputation on, which you Mousers always go on about), and the money he spent on bringing in new players to replace the ones he sold (and which ultimately led to his downfall). So, he might well have got £310m in for players, but he still spent £300m on new players.

    There is not a Spurs manager in the history of our club that has had that kind of money to spend on players. And that is quite apart from the outrageous wages that you pay your players, in an attempt to stop them leaving your club. How much longer can you keep that up, without top 4 football?
     
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  10. Jimmy Squarefoot

    Jimmy Squarefoot Well-Known Member

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    I have apologised because I didn't realise Rafa was given £300m in his first season to build his squad. All the money the club generates through potential player sales is estimated and given to the manager in his first season.
     
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  11. seanDCFC

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    Source or it doesn't happen
     
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  12. Fair enough <ok>
     
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  13. Bloo

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    Still waiting to hear how you know we are going to spend £80m per season on transfers. Answer please.
     
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  14. CPofL KTBFFH

    CPofL KTBFFH New Member

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    Don't hold your breath.
     
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