I was obviously watching a different game, first SAF says it was a penalty but Young overdid the going to ground, and now the author of this saw the defender put his leg across Young without touching the ball, therefore it was a definite penalty! Bollocks! http://therepublikofmancunia.com/re...tm_campaign=reactions-to-victory-over-villa-2
It is unbelievable how blinkered Man. Utd fans are. They will not hear one thing against their beloved team.
Perhaps in sticking up for the player who deliberately dives to get a penalty, he should be thinking about the consequences for the player who has supposed to have 'fouled' him, red card and suspension etc.
Have to agree with you Dave. My opinion hasn't changed, although have you noticed the press seems to have softened their criticism toward Young.
Maybe they watched the slo-mo like I did.Clark definitely stands on Youngs' toes.Not enough to bring him down admittedly but it seems to be the argument at the moment that contact by itself is sufficient for a penalty. Can it be a dive and still a penalty? Well the way things are heading the answer to that is shaping up as a yes.Maybe Tevez fell (no pun intended) into that category.
I don't think that the situation is as black and white as some people would have us believe. What is a dive? If someone throws himself to the ground when there has been no contact then that is blatant cheating and a yellow card offence. But what if there is contact? All of the so called experts, most players past and present, and even Howard Webb has said you should go down when you feel contact and leave the ref to decide if the contact was caused by the attacker or the defender or was accidental. Whilst we may not like it surely it is within the rules and I cannot see any rule that says a player must take all steps possible to stay on his feet following contact. Take a case highlighted on TV last night. Arsenal attacker running towards penalty area with a Wigan defender. 35 yards out defender has a very slight tug at attackers arm - attacker keeps on running. 25 yards out (RVP territory for free kicks) defender puts his hand very lightly on attackers shoulder. Very minimal contact but attacker goes crashing down and Ref gives a free kick - a decision he probably would not have given if the attacker had stayed on his feet. TV expert suggested it may have been a dive because of minimal contact. I might be a bit simplistic but is there anything in the rules that says a defender can have a slight tug at the arm or put a hand lightly in another players shoulder? No! Is there any rule that says that the attacker cannot go to ground if he feels contact? No! Whilst we might not think that it is within what should be the spirit of the game on what grounds could the ref refuse to give a free kick and on what grounds, within the rules, could he book the attacker for diving?
Good post and do agree with what you're saying. Indeed, it is sometimes impossible to stay on your feet when there is some form of contact, deliberate or not. What I'm saying is on this occasion I feel Young actually made the contact with Clark rather than vice-versa. With regard to his going to ground, yes no rules against that, but 5 feet into the air?
I must admit that part of the problem I have is the clear anti Manchester United feeling shown by so many and the associated pro Man City bias,especially in the media.I'm not a fan of either club but I must admit to having a down on clubs who try to buy sucess,so on that basis I would prefer Man Utd and Arsenal over City or Chelsea. Now I know the shout will be that those clubs spend money too,and compared to us they have it in bucketfuls.But I do get sick of eulogies to spoilt South Americans who are little more than mercenaries who make their contempt for their employers quite clear.No names,no pack drill.
blatant dive in my eyes. clark never really committed to the challenge whereas young moved his leg into clark so as to create contact. what then followed was a swan-dive of epic proportions. should have been booked for simulation but i doubt it changed the end result though - villa were dreadful
Come on everyone, no matter which way or how many times you look at it, it was CHEATING plain and simple, and for Clark Carlisle to come out in support of Ashley Young is nothing short of a disgrace. ILD OTBC
Was it not Clark Carlisle who came out the other week saying we need to take a stricter stance on diving to improve the game? Touch hypocritical on his part
