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Afc qpr?

Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Sooperhoop, May 26, 2011.

  1. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    9 years ago Pete Winkleman stole Wimbledon FC with the blessing of the FA and moved it to the land of the concrete cows, saying it wasn't viable to keep Wimbledon in South London. The FA condescendingly added that they didn't think a Wimbledon Town club was viable either, history has shown how wrong they were.

    Yesterday, I believe the F1 boys effectively completed the theft of OUR club, turning it into Flavio's 'Boutique Brand' by setting outrageous season-ticket and match day prices that will drive out the ordinary fan like us and, by their reckoning, replace us with the 'prawn sandwich brigade'.

    Whilst these idiots, who clearly have no idea what real fans feel for their club, probably honestly believe they are going to make a financial killing, it is more likely they will actually kill the club as no-one in their right mind is going to renew with what is happening at present. How much more of a statement can us fans make than not renewing and boycotting the club until they get the message that their presence is a cancer in our club that has to be removed?

    Imagine our first home match with mass protests outside and rows of empty seats inside, will they tough it out knowing relegation would devastate their investment?

    We, as real supporters have a choice, accept what is happening and they get away with it or, alternatively, form a new club, an AFC QPR borne of the real QPR fans, a massive statement of intent which would send them a real message, we are QPR! We are a bigger club than Wimbledon were, so why couldn't we do it? If it helped remove those arseholes it could be disbanded when we have our club back. Think about it, it can be done.
     
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  2. West London Willy

    West London Willy Well-Known Member

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    Off you go then, and form your new club.

    I'm going to concentrate on doing whatever a lone fan can do to try and help my club put things right. I can't even consider supporting anyone else - whether that's a pseudo-QPR run by former QPR people, with a name somewhat similar to QPR.

    I'm QPR through and through, and it's not going to change because of current fortunes, good or bad.
     
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  3. Sooperhoop

    Sooperhoop Well-Known Member

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    And what do fans do that can't afford the season ticket hike and face paying up to £72 to see the odd one-off match?

    You live the dream and it's turning into a nightmare...:steam:
     
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  4. QPR1968

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    I think there's one West London Willy who can't see he's getting shafted. I'm QPR through and through, just like the AFC fans are and always will be Wimbledon through and through. I will not see my Club destroyed by egocentric businessman.
     
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  5. bakes8

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    No AFC Qpr for me. Just wish Bernie and Flav would **** off and sell up the the Indians. No more scandal bollocks for a change if that happens.

    We all know Bernie doesn't give a toss about us, and Flav does care but only for his inflated ego. Fair play we were ****ed before these guys turned up and they have saved us financially, but the best thing they can do for the club is to sell up to Mittal and clear off.
     
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  6. Elixir69

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    An interesting idea on an otherwise "slow news day" IMO.

    I was reading away agreeing with quite a bit of what you said until "We are a bigger club than Wimbledon were, so why couldn't we do it?" That is where you are so wrong. It's not about size, and its not about "loads of money".

    What QPR have is a few sharks, from Paladini through the F1 pair to Colin, and frankly those people who say the Indians are so good need to look a little more closely - are they really football people? If so, why did they choose QPR? IMO QPR have been swimming with sharks for a few years and all of a sudden the shark has "bitten" you, and all of a sudden you don't like it!

    I think QPR will be back "where they belong" quite soon - QPR's level is in the 2nd division, probably like Watford, so don't be surprised if your club gets consumed by greed (and debt as the fat cats line their own pockets) but essentially you will descend back to your natural level in a short while. The problem I see for QPR is when these owners want out and the creditors call in their money, that is when you will really feel the pinch.

    The fact is QPR have lost £35m in the last 2 years - that trading loss will need to be paid for (or written off) one day. But don't tell me all was well until yesterday, you knew the ticket prices were going up steeply for next season, its just you hid your heads in the sand pretending it wasn't going to happen.

    A breakaway QPR club wont happen, I honestly think the QPR pantomime will run a while longer. When the music stops - that's when you will have the chance to get your club back. I will give it 2 years - maximum.
     
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  7. QPR-in-NZ

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    I think your right about Watford
     
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  8. Northolt-QPR

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    Ignore, he hates QPR only a matter of time till he turned up!
     
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  9. West London Willy

    West London Willy Well-Known Member

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    And how will forming a sunday league side do that?

    I don't consider myself 'getting shafted' - although I can see that in a number of ways, the club itself is. However, I'm not remotely inerested in switching my allegiance to some makeshift protest team, when there's still a QPR to support and to fight for.

    Honestly - these calls for an 'AFC QPR' were kicking around when the owners changed the badge, for pity's sake. It's become the knee-jerk reaction of anyone who's unhappy with events at their club beyond their control. While the reality is that our situation is nothing whatsoever like that faced by fans duting the Wimbeldon/MK Dons events. Then, the old club basically ceased to exist - it was renamed, it was uprooted and taken sixty miles or so from it's home, and that meant that to all intents and purposes, Wimbledon FC didn't exist any more.

    That's not the case with us. So I'm not going to agree with anyone who believes the correct response is to throw all the toys out of the pram. and I'm not going to apologise for caring enough about my club to stay loyal, despite events that look like mismanagement of extreme incompetence.
     
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  10. BrixtonR

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    I wouldn't worry about it Willy. We're just venting at the audicities going on upstairs. We know we're powerless in all but rage.

    As you say, the adbuction of the Dons left the fans back home with little alternative other than to form their own club, culture and dreams. The Man U case has similar roots to our fears right now - but I doubt any of us would see the need at this stage for taking such extreme action and a massive commitment as AFC QPR.

    It's just anger (and fear) talking. Indulge us for a while.
     
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  11. Rollercoaster Ranger

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    The AFC QPR did cross my mind briefly, but we should stay and make our feelings known. While it may seem completely futile, that is probably what Emily Pankhurst was told every time she chained herself to the Prime Minister’s railings. If nothing else, we need to let the Mittals know that we are behind them.
     
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  12. Trypsin-1

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    No. There case was different - they had changed name and moved location - it was basically a different club ffs!

    You guys have fun with it but until similar scenario happens with us - I will definately not be joining you

    Bloody hell <laugh> !
     
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  13. QPR1968

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    Sorry if I caused any offence - none intended and you make some good points so thank you.

    The revolving door of managers, Briatore's team selections, Paladini held 'at gunpoint', Faurlingate, Ecclestone's £100m asking price, ticket prices, Saksena sacking, Bhatia resigning.....yes, this is indeed quite extraordinary mismanagement. I am worried, as all QPR fans should be, that it could get a lot worse if we do not make a stand and let the 'management' know how we feel. The AFC QPR comment was a little tongue-in-cheek but the least we can do is hold back on Season Tickets until we hear further from the Club about their intentions. In 40 years of attending Loftus Road, this is up there with the worst of times when we should be "building strong foundations" (to quote Flavio) to turn what has been a successful season off the pitch into a solid close-season off it. As rollercoaster says, we need to show support for the Mittals.
     
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  14. oldtimeranger

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    Could I just clear up what seems to be a misconception of what the Mittals can or cannot do. A hostile take over is not on for the following reason.

    As minority shareholders with a stake of around 33% they can launch a takeover bid for the club. To do this they make an offer to buy the rest of the shares at a price that is acceptable to the remaining shareholders. That is all the shares not just enough to give them a majority. If enough of the remaining shareholders accept their offer and sell their shares then the Mittals can claim a majority shareholding and take control of the club. They are obliged then to offer to buy any shares who's holders held out against them at the take over offer price.

    Now as the majority of the remaining shares are owned by Ecclestone and Briatore the Mittals have no chance of securing that majority holding without their ( Ecclestone & Briatore ) acceptance. They've been trying for that so we're led to believe and have failed.

    On the subject of the board. If the Mittals only have one board member on their side then they will be continually out voted at board meetings and therefore quite powerless. Don't forget at board meetings each member only gets one vote irrespective of what shareholding they represent. The number of board members you can appoint is governed by the support you get at the annual general meeting which is controlled by how many shareholder votes you get. The chairman has the casting vote at board meetings if needed and as he will be a Eccle/Briat appointment the Mittals won't get much help there.

    In my opinion Ecclestone will eventually sell his holding to the Mittals privately for an undisclosed sum which will show him an acceptable profit on his investment. He's never been interested in QPR other than as an investment and probably could do without the grief provided he can turn a profit. I think and hope the Mittals have more dynastic ambitions and are hopefully around for the long run.
     
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  15. andrewqpr

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    With Amit Bhatia resigning as vice chairman who's to say the Mittals wont just sell their stake in QPR now and have nothing more to do with us
     
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  16. oldtimeranger

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    There's no point in selling now as nobody outside the unholly trinity ( Eccles, Briat, Mittals ) would need or want to buy. As the Mittals would probably take a loss by selling now and they certainly don't need the money they might feel it's best to hang on and watch develoments
     
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  17. BrixtonR

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    Spot on shares logic there OTR.

    You refer to Ecclestone as Eccles... Is this an abbreviation or an intentional reference to that Peter Sellers character in the Goon Show?!
     
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  18. Shawswood

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    Oldtimeranger
    maybe everyone else on here understood the ins and outs of boardroom rules but I certainly didn't so thanks for explaining how it works.
    So it appears from what you say that neither the Mittals nor anybody else can effect change if Ecclestone and Briatore say no. Is there anything the supporters can do apart from saying how angry they are?
     
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  19. GoldhawkRoad

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    Good post, OTR. I think your conclusion that Eccles (like it!) will sell to the Mittals eventually is sound. The only alternatives I see is if the Mittals become interested in another club (Brentford fans may be holding their breath as I write), Eccles sells off F1 and needs an interest ( he has hinted at the possibility of becoming more involved in the club over the last year) or Flavio (Bluebottle) Briatore wants to buy Eccles out.

    Eccles is a hard nosed business man, but no football club owner, especially a billionaire octogenarian, needs the hassle of fans out for his blood. We'll see how things pan out (no pun intended) over the next few months but if Eccles continues to show contempt for QPR and becomes a hate figure, a sale to the Mittals may come sooner rather than later.
     
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  20. Sooperhoop

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    There certainly needs to be a visible protest of some sort ahead of next season. The boycott of season tickets is a good starting point...
     
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